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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please find the meeting notes from today’s DCP WG + SIOP call.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u>Participants<o:p></o:p></u></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Kristina Yasuda<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Joseph Heenan<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">David Chadwick<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Javier Ruiz<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Pedro Felix<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Tim Cappalli<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Brain Campbell<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Daniel Fett<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="color:#212121">Rajvardhan Deshmukh</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="color:#212121">Paul Bastian</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Lukasz Jaromin<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Bjorn Hjelm<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Andreea Prian<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="color:#212121">Jan Vereecken</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="color:#212121">Hicham Lozi</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="color:#212121">Tom Jones</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Steve Venema<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">Gareth Oliver<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Kristina reminded the team about the new antitrust policy (<a href="http://www.openid.net/antitrust)" target="_blank" title="http://www.openid.net/antitrust)">http://www.openid.net/antitrust)</a>
and encouraged everyone to familiarize themselves with it.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Announcement about upcoming OAuth Security Workshop 2025
<a href="https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025">https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Update by Kristina on moving VP/VCI to v1.0 final and then proceeding to v1.1– We have been discussing version 1.0 final, and there appear to be no strong objections to proceeding
with finalizing it and moving on to version 1.1. However, there are still concerns and discussions needed regarding the scope of version 1.0. Once those are addressed, we can proceed in this direction. The formal approval will follow, and we will ask if the
draft is ready for the last call for working group.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #1</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/392">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/392</a> - “<b>add an option to use credential_configuration_id in credential request”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Topic of discussion: Do we want to remove format and type to specify which credential is being requested? If we do that then we should do it in authorization request too.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Discussion:
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo3">There are concerns about how this change might affect current implementations and whether it should be included in version 1.0 or deferred to future updates. Paul prefers replacing
the current option rather than adding another, while Oliver suggests separating the discussions to avoid complications for implementers. The group is undecided but agrees to gather feedback from those using the format and type option.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Concluded with following comment on PR:
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/392#issuecomment-2361317742">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/392#issuecomment-2361317742</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #2</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/258">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/258</a> -
<b>“Permit the use of the new query language instead of presentation exchange.”<o:p></o:p></b></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Daniel introduced a new approach for handling claims and credential sets. The new model defines claims with unique IDs and allows for optional claims, reducing complexity in applications
with multiple claims. The same approach can be applied to credentials. Paul raised a concern about the logic of optional credentials but appreciated the clarity of the claims structure. The group generally agreed on the approach, with a few members indicating
they would review it later. <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #3</u> - <a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/263">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/263</a> -
<b>“Change client_id_scheme to a prefix”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul type="circle">
<li style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Discussion on the proposal to remove the client ID scheme parameter and instead prefix the client ID value with the client ID scheme. This proposal aims to address a security issue while maintaining compatibility with existing
Federation implementations. The group agreed that the Federation specification would not be impacted by this change.<br>
Jan raised concerns about the added semantics to the client ID, which may require interpretation. Joseph and Brian clarified that the client ID has never been entirely opaque and that the prefixing approach merely relocates existing semantics. The group discussed
separating the conversation around a single deployment using multiple trust frameworks from the current security issue, with agreement that the latter should be resolved first. Joseph opened an issue
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/248"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;background:white">#248</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1F2328;background:white">.</span>
to address the multi-framework topic. There was general support for moving forward with the current proposal, pending final approval from key stakeholders. The goal is to merge the proposal soon, possibly by the following week.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #4</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/381">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/381</a>
<b>“remove c_nonce from the token endpoint response”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul type="circle">
<li style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Pedro raised a question about the term "fresh," which Brian clarified as a nonce usable for subsequent requests. Suggestions were made to improve the wording. Oliver inquired about protecting the endpoint with access tokens,
but it was previously deemed unnecessary. While some expressed concerns about potential abuse of the unprotected endpoint, the group agreed that cryptographic validation was a bigger issue. They leaned towards a stateless nonce implementation but will gather
feedback on stateful nonces in the future. <br>
Lukasz suggested adding a note for transparency, stating that the endpoint is not protected by access tokens, which Kristina agreed to. With three approvals in place, the PR is likely to be merged next week.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #5</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/389">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/389</a> <b>“first draft for key attestation”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Paul confirmed the PR needs reviews and polishing but going in right direction. He raised a question about the necessity of a cnf claim for key attestation (especially for multiple
keys). Kristina requested a description in the PR to clarify steps. Paul agreed to update the PR and address the cnf claim issue.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #6</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/276">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/276</a>
<b>“Define claims display description and claims path query”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Kristina discussed the need to revisit the PR addressing display definitions for nested claims, noting its previous deferral due to implementation concerns. With version 1.0 approaching,
she suggested re-evaluating the PR. Paul emphasized that the new query language proposal might overlap with this topic, recommending consensus on the query language first. Brian raised the question of authority in defining credential type metadata, highlighting
a conflict between issuer metadata and type metadata. The group agreed to prioritize the query language design before addressing the breaking change in the PR.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><u>PR Discussion #6</u> -
<a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/382">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/382</a>
<b>“Enable non-breaking extensibility”</b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Kristina raised the topic of enabling non-breaking extensibility in issuance, highlighting a conflict between the RAR specification and a proposed PR that suggests ignoring unrecognized
parameters. Brian explained that the original intent was to ensure strict adherence to types without extensibility. Joseph clarified that the PR aims to allow future extensibility, preventing issues if new parameters are defined later. The group acknowledged
that this topic is blocking the PR and agreed to revisit it next week.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Below is the suggested agenda for today's DCP WG + SIOP call at 12:00 midday PT: <a href="https://zoom.us/j/94085567252?pwd=cHNFMExFalhlM2MrOFhoN3J6eDRuZz09" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/94085567252?pwd=cHNFMExFalhlM2MrOFhoN3J6eDRuZz09</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">IPR reminder / Antitrust policy (<a href="http://www.openid.net/antitrust">http://www.openid.net/antitrust</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">OSW </span><a href="https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025">https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Consensus around proposed plan for moving VP/VCI to v1.0 final with v1.1 to follow<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">add an option to use credential_configuration_id in credential request. VCI PR #392<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Permit the use of the new query language instead of presentation exchange. VP PR #258<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">client_id_scheme security. VP PR #124<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">[updated]</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Add extensibility to Credential Response. VCI PR #391<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[updated]</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Remove c_nonce from the token endpoint response. VCI PR #381.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Define claims display description and claims path query - <a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/276" target="_blank">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pull/276</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-stretch:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">[heads-up/no action as far as I am aware] Update Appendix 1 to be consistent with the latest snapshot of the Digital Credentials API. VP issue #264<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Key attestation first draft PR - please review:
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