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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Call<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="outlook-search-highlight">notes</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>for<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="outlook-search-highlight">DCP</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>WG
23st April 9pm CEST</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Attendees</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Sebastien Bahloul</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tim Capalli</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Brian Campbell</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Gabe</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Elizabeth Garber</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Joseph Heenan</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Lukasz Jaromin</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Michael Jones</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tom Jones</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Torsten Lodderstedt</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Gareth Oliver</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Sudesha Shetty</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jan Vereecken</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Waite</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jin Wen</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Joseph: A couple of regular attendees are excused (Kristina, Tobias, …).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Introduction of new people on the call:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">- Gareth Oliver (Google)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">- Elizabeth Garber (OpenID Foundation)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Main topic on the agenda</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">: Debrief from OAuth Security WG (OSW) and Internet Identity Workshop (IIW)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">(we<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:black;background:white">didn’t really talk about OSW explicitly - everything that was discussed at OSW ended up also being discussed
further at IIW)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">But first, discussion on<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144*__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxaL4xdL0g$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144*__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxaL4xdL0g$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144#</span></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Michael: Kristina has put a note (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144*issuecomment-2067045699__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxb9vqd2sA$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144*issuecomment-2067045699__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxb9vqd2sA$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144#issuecomment-2067045699</span></a>)
to get feedback within a week but some of the requirements in the Google Document (best guess considering that the google docs is the superset of the requirements from the slides discussed in IIW), it would be considered consensual. Problem is that some the
requirements are ambiguous / unclear. And now there comments on issue and on the Google Doc. So Torsten will liaise with Kristina to have a consolidated version between the issue and the doc in order to have further comments on the document only.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tom: the following requirement is confusing “Verifier is able to request any credential format. ie CBOR and JSON”. Discussion between Torsten, Tom and Brian with a shared agreement that the underlying
statement for this requirement is that the presentation format depends on the credential format (typically JSON Path does not work for CBOR)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Debrief from IIW on browser API</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Torsten: Most of the time was spent on Browser API, so that it can work with OpenID4VP.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">A couple of sessions with browser vendors and other active contributors.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Super impressive cross-device demo with a credential presented on a Chromebook initiating a wallet presentment on an iPhone through BLE based CTAP flow</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Work through the proposal in PR 155 and cover it completely (even simplified).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Most important changes related to when the security model is not WebPKI</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Agreement from browser vendors to move forward with this proposal.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Question on why multiple expected origins</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Torsten: Depending on the architecture, one service could serve different web servers so having only one origin could make the integration more complicated</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Debrief from IIW on PE simplification</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Torsten: presentation link available on this comment<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144#issuecomment-2066939189" title="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144#issuecomment-2066939189"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/144#issuecomment-2066939189</span></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:black">Good propositions but<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">not a definitive answer: what is reported is the result of the discussions with the browser vendors,
Kristina, Oliver, Niels … Goal was to keep the PE to some extent, but also allow to have format specific queries.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Gabe: PE should now be processed through the DCP group starting from now.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sebastien: is Encryption of the request still in the picture. Torsten: No good way to deal with it, so out of scope for now</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question on the needs for request encryption. Torsten: it could come when the credential request includes filters based PII.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Torsten: You need to trust the OS anyway so as long as multi device data transfer is encrypted, it should be ok (Tim: cross device encryption is part of CTAP)</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Two options: batch credential or credential request extension, decision to go with credential request extension</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question: within the scope of the interop and/or the hackaton ? Torsten: Undecided</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Call to move OpenID4VCI from Connect ID to DCP, closes in a week, already a good amount of feedback, more are welcome.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Deferred Authorization (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/60__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZt0pKeeg$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/60__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZt0pKeeg$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/60</span></a>):
current consensus is to remove it because there is no use case (unless anybody has a use case, in that case please comment on the issue).</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Leverage PE for authorize transactions (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/156__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZIm5Quxw$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/156__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZIm5Quxw$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/156</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>).
One of the EU LSP has a use case and want to leverage OpenID4VP and typed transaction data to a request : user consent screen, show the transaction data include it in the signature. Payment was well received by one browser vendor representative as it seems
to solve a quite complicated problem discussed on Web Payments</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tim: Webauthn have a similar concept (transaction confirmation), it would benefit to be aligned with this proposition as it is also in the scope of WebAuthn.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Torsten: The use case is a bit different because with OpenID4VP there is no need to have a key specific for the RP (unlike FIDO WebAuthn)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tim: The thought was to try and align inputs.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jin: There is also an earlier FIDO spec like FIDO UAF for transaction confirmation, please refer to<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-uaf-v1.2-ps-20201020/fido-uaf-protocol-v1.2-ps-20201020.html*transaction-confirmation__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZy22pwhQ$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-uaf-v1.2-ps-20201020/fido-uaf-protocol-v1.2-ps-20201020.html*transaction-confirmation__;Iw!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZy22pwhQ$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-uaf-v1.2-ps-20201020/fido-uaf-protocol-v1.2-ps-20201020.html#transaction-confirmation</span></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Other topics</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Proposal to delay a bit OpenID4VP Implementers Draft #3: once PE simplification and the client_id security issue are solved (initial motivation was to get it into the ISO draft but it is not anymore
a strong motivation - so ID#3 could be delayed a bit). No comment on the call, proposal agreed.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo8">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Feedback welcome on :</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Credential format request vs metadata:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/136__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxbqN2ZnCg$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/136__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxbqN2ZnCg$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/136</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo9">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OpenID4VCI simplification proposal by Paul<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/294__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxaoYNUAKw$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/294__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxaoYNUAKw$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/294</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo9">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How to reduce pulling from the wallet by adding a Shared Signal like approach<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/300__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZS1rxSpQ$" title="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/300__;!!FZtbJVnXfw!xY7XyP3EfK4Low6xdcHabj4YZizoYLhjpkmbo9F7jBdfW_Yz5eKmdmb4YUNQaYzGY45ed_IuDWKkYxZS1rxSpQ$"><span style="color:#0086F0">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/issues/300</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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