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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi All,</span><span style="color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:black">Please find the minutes for the meeting below<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Participants<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Joseph Heenan<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Kristina Yasuda<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Brian Campbell<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Daniel B<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Daniel Fett<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Gabe<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Jin Wen<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Kim Duffy<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Michael Jones<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Oliver Terbu<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Orie Steele<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Tobias Looker<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Tom Jones<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Torsten Lodderstedt<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Jan Vereecken<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Tim Cappalli<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Bjorn Hjelm<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Agenda<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">IPR reminder/ Note-taking<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Introductions/re-introductions<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Agenda bashing/adoption<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Events/External orgs<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Proposal from chairs on next steps for query language discussion<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Discuss what a profile of presentation exchange could look like<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Discuss outstanding questions on request_uri extension,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/59" title="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/59"><span style="color:#0078D7">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/59</span></a><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Minutes<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">OID4VP Query language (JH)<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1"><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ax6H9CDcOVvBNlUpkJ50nIljapGqF4_Zc7_DJXmmWqI/edit#slide=id.g2c1958bc4c0_0_0" title="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ax6H9CDcOVvBNlUpkJ50nIljapGqF4_Zc7_DJXmmWqI/edit#slide=id.g2c1958bc4c0_0_0"><span style="color:#0078D7">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ax6H9CDcOVvBNlUpkJ50nIljapGqF4_Zc7_DJXmmWqI/edit#slide=id.g2c1958bc4c0_0_0</span></a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Michael: What is the methodology. How to make decisions that everyone wants to live with.<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Kristina: Follow usual process to take time and discuss<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Tom: How will a wallet know it needs to act on a request<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Torsten: This topic does not deal with how a wallet is opened, but starts from the moment the wallet is opened<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Minimum PE profile for OpenID4VP (KY)<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r7S36RFNsnCOrYbkyTFE5ybPBalT-hERSnzKQ2rzcX8" title="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r7S36RFNsnCOrYbkyTFE5ybPBalT-hERSnzKQ2rzcX8"><span style="color:#0078D7">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r7S36RFNsnCOrYbkyTFE5ybPBalT-hERSnzKQ2rzcX8</span></a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Possibilities of PE are massive, this is an attempt to make it more approachable, less intimidating<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Need for implementor feedback (for example presentation definition<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><code><span style="font-size:10.0pt">filter</span></code> attribute)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Tobias: Queries become format specific. Path single element.<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Torsten: A verifier knows what format they are asking for. The main benefit here is to use the same query language.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Orie: Finds defining a minimum profile not a good use of time. Fix it to a version.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Kim: PE v2 and v2.1 moves more to a feature model to address some of the concerns and make it easier to implement.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Oliver: PE can't be used for mdoc. Not a format agnostic query language, except for json parsing. Finds it better to embrace the differences in credential formats<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1">Kristina: PE already used for mdoc without major complaints, so why is it an issue<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1">Oliver: From own experience finds that there is almost no reuse when implementing PE for different formats.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Michael: Suggest considering the presentation of 1 credential only, so we truly have a minimal profile.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Torsten: never a goal to maximise reuse<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Tobias: when syntax looks similar, but processing is different (based on credential formats with completely different profiles) might promote ambiguity and might be potentially dangerous<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Kristina: Looks for confirmation if this document describes where implementors have started<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">PR 59: request_uri (wallet picks up request from verifier)<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Torsten: who defines the response<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Orie: lots of libraries throw errors when using<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><code><span style="font-size:10.0pt">alg: none</span></code>, therefore suggests returning pure json
response.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Joseph: server can use accept header, but in the end decides<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Torsten: Need decision if we need state parameter<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Joseph: if someone needs it, they should open issue.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">Accept this move forward<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">Torsten: Issue brought up by Oliver to change encode on the request. Mixed encoding for different endpoints doesn't make sense. Needs to be consistent. OAuth style is request is form encoded
and response json encoded<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,</span><span style="color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Jan</span><span style="color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:#212121">p.s. sorry for the delay, there was an issue with me posting to the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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