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<div dir="ltr">Well i'd like to talk about the No PE / WICG understands the queries (I will help with this)
<div>But i was told today it is out of scope so i bailed out assuming that i needed to go somewhere else!</div>
<div>I wish you guys would make up your mind - </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
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I'd like to repeat my proposal from today' call on this list for discussion.<br>
I'd appreciate it if Kristina could share the link to the proposal she presented, regarding what I am calling "PEv2", a profile of PEv1 incorporating lessons learned, and published by OIDF instead of DIF, if I understand correctly.<br>
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It was asserted on the call today that both ISO mDoc and OAUTH JWT VC work with "PEv1" as defined in "OpenID for Verifiable Presentations - draft 20".<br>
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If that's true, I think it's a waste of time to discuss profiling of PE further.<br>
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Interoperability has been demonstrated, implementations exist, implementer feedback has been gathered.<br>
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Further restricting PE based on that feedback will continue to improve interoperability for PE based flows, but we can all see the writing on the wall.<br>
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I don't feel the effort spent to further restrict PE is a good use of working group call time.<br>
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Instead I propose the following:<br>
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Assign a URN to OIDC4VP draft 20 with PE JSON Schema unmodified, something like:<br>
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"urn:ietf:params:oauth:oidc:vp:pe:v1" request for it to be registered, and make it clear that it is frozen effectively immediately.<br>
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"urn:ietf:params:oauth:oidc:vp:pe:v2" request for it to be registered, create a separate document to track "using PE moving forward", and let people who want to contribute to that document, contribute to it... let me know when this is, so I can avoid joining
it... I have limited time to contribute, and I would like to dedicate my time to replacing PE with something else, not patching it until it is unrecognizable.<br>
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"urn:ietf:params:oauth:oidc:vp:w3c:v1" request for it to be registered, create a separate document to track "designing a format specific query language", to be coordinated with WICG, that's basically what this document is supposed to become, even though the
first part of the document is focused on "urn:ietf:params:oauth:oidc:vp:pe:v1" : <br>
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<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A10PZ_DviMJeyy2mDFt2QLcXUbT4O2dc_BizNXAD2PQ/edit#heading=h.txx2wxvypaci" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A10PZ_DviMJeyy2mDFt2QLcXUbT4O2dc_BizNXAD2PQ/edit#heading=h.txx2wxvypaci</a><br>
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... let me know when the call for this ^ will be so I can attend.<br>
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TLDR; Please separate the discussion of PEv1 (work completed), PEv2 (good luck) and No PE / WICG understands the queries (I will help with this), so that we don't see them mixed into every working group call related to OpenID 4 VP.<br>
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