<div dir="auto">Hi Mike,<br><br>Regarding the scheduling of the board vote, the Executive Committee meeting is scheduled for this Thursday. Therefore, it would be ideal if we could finalize our report by then to present this recommendation to the board.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Nat<br><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">2025年7月1日(火) 8:15 Michael Jones <<a href="mailto:michael_b_jones@hotmail.com">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I believe that everyone except for John has weighed in. How do we schedule the board vote to close the working group?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Jones via specs-council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2025 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:nat@sakimura.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nat@sakimura.org</a>>; Dima Postnikov <<a href="mailto:dima@postnikov.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dima@postnikov.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Haine <mark@considrd.consulting>; Mike Leszcz <<a href="mailto:mike.leszcz@oidf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:blhjelm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blhjelm@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>; Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gail@oidf.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:majordan@visa.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">majordan@visa.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes, I would advocate leaving the working group pages for closed working groups in place. That said, I suggest that we add a “Closed Working Groups” section to
<a href="https://openid.net/wg/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://openid.net/wg/</a> - after the set of current WGs and before the “How Working Groups Work” content.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As I see it, we don’t need special handling for contact information for closed working groups because we’ll still have links to all the specs. And the specs include contact information for all the authors.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We should, however, indicate in the closed WG pages, such as
<a href="https://openid.net/wg/eap/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://openid.net/wg/eap/</a> and <a href="https://openid.net/wg/heart/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://openid.net/wg/heart/</a>, that the working group has been closed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:nat@sakimura.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nat@sakimura.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 22, 2025 11:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dima Postnikov <<a href="mailto:dima@postnikov.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dima@postnikov.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Haine <<a href="mailto:mark@considrd.consulting" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mark@considrd.consulting</a>>; Mike Leszcz <<a href="mailto:mike.leszcz@oidf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:michael_b_jones@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:blhjelm@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
blhjelm@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>; Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gail@oidf.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:majordan@visa.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">majordan@visa.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These are indeed excellent questions, and I concur with your points. It's crucial to establish a clear contact email address for inquiries related to the specifications, especially for critical matters such as security reports. This would
provide a dedicated channel for external parties to reach out with any questions or concerns, ranging from simple clarifications to urgent security vulnerabilities.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">I am supportive of closing down HEART WG. It is also great that MikeL has done the hard work to collect the facts relating to other
dormant groups – THANKS MIKE! This is an important hygiene factor for the foundation.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Best Regards,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">specs-council <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council-bounces@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">> on behalf
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</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Date: </span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">Thursday, 19 June 2025 at 13:21<br>
</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">To: </span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>,
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</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Subject: </span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span></a></span></b><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">R&E (chair Davide Vaghetti)</span></a></span></b><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">6/21/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
</span><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Specific to the HEART discussion Deb Bucci supports closing the HEART WG as she confirmed via email. </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started this process, he noted that it
was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this regard.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work would resume. It hasn't so I
recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Davide Vaghetti asked to wait until this time to see if the R&E work would continue. I'll follow-up
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Mike</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">From:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">
Michael Jones <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>
</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Sent:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM<br>
</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">To:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">
</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>
</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Cc:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">
</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>;
Gail Hodges <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">gail@oidf.org</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>; Mike Leszcz <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>
</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Subject:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working group, with no further work on them. This is
exactly the same fate as awaits the </span>OpenID Connect Token Bound Authentication<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> specification in the
</span>EAP working group<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">, once it is closed in two weeks.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">And, for example, it’s the same situation as the
</span>OpenID Simple Registration Extension<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished. There’s lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for lots of different
reasons.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> -- Mike</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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Bjorn Hjelm <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>
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</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Sent:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 4:42 PM<br>
</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">To:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Michael Jones <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>
</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Cc:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">
</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">; Gail Hodges <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">gail@oidf.org</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>;
Mike Leszcz <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>
</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Subject:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span></a></span></b><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Hi Mike,</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART working
group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is my understanding correct? Are there any outstanding open issues that need to be closed?</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Kind Regards,</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Bjorn</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">AM
Michael Jones via specs-council <</span>openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">> wrote:</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Now that we have a repopulated
</span>Specifications Council<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">, I believe it’s time that we exercise our responsibility to recommend closing of a working group.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Section 4.4 of
</span>https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> says:</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had
Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the time of closure, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Section 4.7 says:</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had
an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list, other than by Mike Leszcz, since
</span>March 2022<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">. The last commit to the
</span>working group repository<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> was in 2018.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please reply-all with your thoughts.</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> -- Mike</span></a></span><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Kind Regards,</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Bjorn</span></a><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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