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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I believe that everyone except for John has weighed in.  How do we schedule the board vote to close the working group?<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">                                                                -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> specs-council <openid-specs-council-bounces@lists.openid.net>


<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Jones via specs-council<br>


<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2025 12:44 PM<br>


<b>To:</b> Nat Sakimura <nat@sakimura.org>; Dima Postnikov <dima@postnikov.net><br>


<b>Cc:</b> Mark Haine <mark@considrd.consulting>; Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz@oidf.org>; blhjelm@gmail.com; openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net; Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>; majordan@visa.com<br>


<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes, I would advocate leaving the working group pages for closed working groups in place.  That said, I suggest that we add a “Closed Working Groups” section to


<a href="https://openid.net/wg/">https://openid.net/wg/</a> - after the set of current WGs and before the “How Working Groups Work” content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As I see it, we don’t need special handling for contact information for closed working groups because we’ll still have links to all the specs.  And the specs include contact information for all the authors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We should, however, indicate in the closed WG pages, such as


<a href="https://openid.net/wg/eap/">https://openid.net/wg/eap/</a> and <a href="https://openid.net/wg/heart/">


https://openid.net/wg/heart/</a>, that the working group has been closed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">                                                                -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:nat@sakimura.org">nat@sakimura.org</a>>


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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 22, 2025 11:46 PM<br>


<b>To:</b> Dima Postnikov <<a href="mailto:dima@postnikov.net">dima@postnikov.net</a>><br>


<b>Cc:</b> Mark Haine <<a href="mailto:mark@considrd.consulting">mark@considrd.consulting</a>>; Mike Leszcz <<a href="mailto:mike.leszcz@oidf.org">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</a>>;


<a href="mailto:michael_b_jones@hotmail.com">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:blhjelm@gmail.com">


blhjelm@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>; Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org">gail@oidf.org</a>>;


<a href="mailto:majordan@visa.com">majordan@visa.com</a><br>


<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group<o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">These are indeed excellent questions, and I concur with your points. It's crucial to establish a clear contact email address for inquiries related to the specifications, especially for critical matters such as security reports. This would


 provide a dedicated channel for external parties to reach out with any questions or concerns, ranging from simple clarifications to urgent security vulnerabilities.<o:p></o:p></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">2025<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">年</span>6<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">月</span>23<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">日</span>(<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">月</span>) 14:16 Dima Postnikov via specs-council <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">Will the WG page still be available (in the closed section, I assume), and can we have a contact email address for people who have questions about the specifications?<o:p></o:p></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 at 13:37, Mark Haine via specs-council <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">I am supportive of closing down HEART WG.  It is also great that MikeL has done the hard work to collect the facts relating to other


 dormant groups – THANKS MIKE! This is an important hygiene factor for the foundation.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Best Regards,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>


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 of Mike Leszcz via specs-council <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Date: </span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">Thursday, 19 June 2025 at 13:21<br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">To: </span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>,


</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Cc: </span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>,


 Gail Hodges <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">gail@oidf.org</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>,


</span><span style="font-weight:normal">majordan@visa.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">majordan@visa.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Subject: </span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span></a></span></b><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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 is my analysis of WGs that I viewed as dormant and shared these details (September 2024) with Gail, Marie, and Mike Jones:</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">10/14/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):


</span><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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</span><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">  </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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</span><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"> (announcing WG meetings resuming but it doesn’t seem to have occurred)</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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</span><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Specific to the HEART discussion Deb Bucci supports closing the HEART WG as she confirmed via email. </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started this process, he noted that it


 was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this regard.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work would resume. It hasn't so I


 recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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 with Davide to see where things stand since our last communication at the beginning of the year.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul>


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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">From:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">


 Michael Jones <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Sent:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM<br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">To:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">


</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">blhjelm@gmail.com</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Cc:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">


</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>;


 Gail Hodges <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">gail@oidf.org</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>; Mike Leszcz <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">Subject:</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">


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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working group, with no further work on them.  This is


 exactly the same fate as awaits the </span>OpenID Connect Token Bound Authentication<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> specification in the


</span>EAP working group<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">, once it is closed in two weeks.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">And, for example, it’s the same situation as the


</span>OpenID Simple Registration Extension<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished.  There’s lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for lots of different


 reasons.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">                                                                -- Mike</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">To:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Michael Jones <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


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</span><span style="font-weight:normal">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">; Gail Hodges <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">gail@oidf.org</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">>;


 Mike Leszcz <</span><span style="font-weight:normal">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">><br>


</span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Subject:</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span></a></span></b><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Hi Mike,</span></a><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART working


 group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is my understanding correct? Are there any outstanding open issues that need to be closed?</span></a><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Kind Regards,</span></a><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Bjorn</span></a><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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<p><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">AM


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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Now that we have a repopulated


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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Section 4.4 of


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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had


 Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the time of closure, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Section 4.7 says:</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had


 an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list, other than by Mike Leszcz, since


</span>March 2022<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">.  The last commit to the


</span>working group repository<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> was in 2018.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please reply-all with your thoughts.</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://considrd.consulting/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">                                                                -- Mike</span></a></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>


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