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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I am supportive of closing down HEART WG. It is also great that MikeL has done the hard work to collect the facts relating to other dormant groups – THANKS MIKE! This is an important
hygiene factor for the foundation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121">Mark Haine</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><a href="tel:+447775550344"><span style="color:#0078D7">+44 (0) 777 555 0344</span></a> | <a href="mailto:mark@considrd.consulting" title="mailto:mark@considrd.consulting"><span style="color:#0563C1">mark@considrd.consulting</span></a> | <a href="https://www.considrd.consulting/" title="https://www.considrd.consulting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">considrd.consulting</span></a> | </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">30
The Grange, Irvine. KA11 2EU</span><span style="color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">specs-council <openid-specs-council-bounces@lists.openid.net> on behalf of Mike Leszcz via specs-council <openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 19 June 2025 at 13:21<br>
<b>To: </b>michael_b_jones@hotmail.com <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com>, blhjelm@gmail.com <blhjelm@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net <openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net>, Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>, majordan@visa.com <majordan@visa.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3/12/20 -- last published WG meeting notes:
</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">8/17/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> (announcing
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3/16/22 -- last published WG meeting notes:
</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16" target="_blank" title="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16"><span style="color:#467886">https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3/31/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4/7/2020 -- last published WG meeting notes:
</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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</span><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#467886"><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html" target="_blank" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html"><span style="color:#467886">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html</span></a></span></u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started this process, he noted that it was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this regard.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work would resume. It hasn't so I recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Davide Vaghetti asked to wait until this time to see if the R&E work would continue. I'll follow-up with Davide to see where things stand since our last communication at the beginning of the year.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> blhjelm@gmail.com <blhjelm@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net <openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net>; Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>; Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz@oidf.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working group, with no further work on them. This is exactly the same fate as awaits the
<a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-token-bound-authentication-1_0.html">
OpenID Connect Token Bound Authentication</a> specification in the <a href="https://openid.net/wg/eap/">
EAP working group</a>, once it is closed in two weeks.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">And, for example, it’s the same situation as the
<a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_1-01.html">
OpenID Simple Registration Extension</a> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished. There’s lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for lots of different reasons.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART working group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is
my understanding correct? Are there any outstanding open issues that need to be closed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US">AM Michael Jones via specs-council <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Now that we have a repopulated
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 4.4 of <a href="https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf" target="_blank">
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the time of closure, and
such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 4.7 says:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days, and such recommendation will
promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list, other than by Mike Leszcz, since
<a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/thread.html" target="_blank">
March 2022</a>. The last commit to the <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/heart/src/master/" target="_blank">
working group repository</a> was in 2018.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please reply-all with your thoughts.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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