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Hello all,</div>
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As background, I started addressing dormant working groups 2H 2024.</div>
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Below is my analysis of WGs that I viewed as dormant and shared these details (September 2024) with Gail, Marie, and Mike Jones:</div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;"><b>EAP (co-chairs Mike Jones & Brian Campbell)</b></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">10/14/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html" target="_blank" id="OWAbc7741ba-1d52-c238-9458-e3948f6bcc65" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html</a></u></span></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">3/12/20 -- last published WG meeting notes:
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html" target="_blank" id="OWA3eeb910a-b7fb-8ec8-50d2-5ae60c303399" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html</a></u></span> </div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;"><b>FastFed (co-chairs Tim Cappalli, Darin McAdams, and Erik Gustavson)</b></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">8/17/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html" target="_blank" id="OWAdab71bc7-58c7-9ba3-285b-59e108df8bcc" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html</a></u></span> (announcing
WG meetings resuming but it doesn’t seem to have occurred)</div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">3/16/22 -- last published WG meeting notes:
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16" target="_blank" id="OWA1c15ba38-46d8-12f0-37d6-f49a2e472de2" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16</a></u></span></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;"><b>HEART (chair Deb Bucci)</b></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">3/31/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html" target="_blank" id="OWA5bdb91aa-e18a-85ad-287a-21b57fd0ea6a" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html</a></u></span></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">4/7/2020 -- last published WG meeting notes:
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html" target="_blank" id="OWAd8ea2252-9b80-aa5b-d68a-37ec95aa9923" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html</a></u></span></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;"><b>R&E (chair Davide Vaghetti)</b></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">6/21/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements):
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html" target="_blank" id="OWA4740c93b-a949-af6c-4814-f2a9983846e5" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html</a></u></span></div>
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<div role="presentation" style="line-height: 1.38; margin: 0in 0px 8pt;">5/10/21 -- last published WG meeting notes:
<span style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u><a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html" target="_blank" id="OWA538a2442-db68-1fe0-f7aa-e01a6c7ab302" class="x_OWAAutoLink" title="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin: 0px;">https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html</a></u></span></div>
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<div class="elementToProof" role="presentation">Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started this process, he noted that it was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this
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<div class="elementToProof" role="presentation">We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work would resume. It hasn't so I recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.</div>
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I'll follow-up once I have updates on FastFed and R&E.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> blhjelm@gmail.com <blhjelm@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net <openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net>; Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>; Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz@oidf.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working group, with no further work on them. This is exactly the same fate as awaits the
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And, for example, it’s the same situation as the
<a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_1-01.html">
OpenID Simple Registration Extension</a> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished. There’s lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for lots of different reasons.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bjorn Hjelm <blhjelm@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net; Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>; Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz@oidf.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART working group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is my understanding correct?
Are there any outstanding open issues that need to be closed?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Michael Jones via specs-council <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-council@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Now that we have a repopulated
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 4.4 of <a href="https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf" target="_blank">
https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf</a> says:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that the WG has not had Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the time of closure, and such recommendation
will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list, other than by Mike Leszcz, since
<a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/thread.html" target="_blank">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please reply-all with your thoughts.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike</span></p>
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