[OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
Nat Sakimura
nat at sakimura.org
Mon Jun 23 06:45:58 UTC 2025
Hi Dima,
These are indeed excellent questions, and I concur with your points. It's
crucial to establish a clear contact email address for inquiries related to
the specifications, especially for critical matters such as security
reports. This would provide a dedicated channel for external parties to
reach out with any questions or concerns, ranging from simple
clarifications to urgent security vulnerabilities.
Best regards,
Nat
2025年6月23日(月) 14:16 Dima Postnikov via specs-council <
openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>:
> I am supportive too.
>
> Will the WG page still be available (in the closed section, I assume), and
> can we have a contact email address for people who have questions about the
> specifications?
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 at 13:37, Mark Haine via specs-council <
> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am supportive of closing down HEART WG. It is also great that MikeL
>> has done the hard work to collect the facts relating to other dormant
>> groups – THANKS MIKE! This is an important hygiene factor for the
>> foundation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Haine
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *specs-council <openid-specs-council-bounces at lists.openid.net> on
>> behalf of Mike Leszcz via specs-council <
>> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 19 June 2025 at 13:21
>> *To: *michael_b_jones at hotmail.com <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>,
>> blhjelm at gmail.com <blhjelm at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net <
>> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>, Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>,
>> majordan at visa.com <majordan at visa.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> As background, I started addressing dormant working groups 2H 2024.
>>
>>
>>
>> Below is my analysis of WGs that I viewed as dormant and shared these
>> details (September 2024) with Gail, Marie, and Mike Jones:
>>
>>
>>
>> - *EAP (co-chairs Mike Jones & Brian Campbell)*
>>
>>
>> - 10/14/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including
>> announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html>*
>>
>>
>> - 3/12/20 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html>*
>>
>>
>>
>> - *FastFed (co-chairs Tim Cappalli, Darin McAdams, and Erik
>> Gustavson)*
>>
>>
>> - 8/17/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including
>> announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html>* (announcing
>> WG meetings resuming but it doesn’t seem to have occurred)
>>
>>
>> - 3/16/22 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16
>> <https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16>*
>>
>>
>> - *HEART (chair Deb Bucci)*
>>
>>
>> - 3/31/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including
>> announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html>*
>>
>>
>> - 4/7/2020 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html>*
>>
>>
>> - *R&E (chair Davide Vaghetti)*
>>
>>
>> - 6/21/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including
>> announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html>*
>>
>>
>> - 5/10/21 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html>*
>>
>> Additional notes:
>>
>> - Specific to the HEART discussion Deb Bucci supports closing the
>> HEART WG as she confirmed via email.
>>
>>
>> - Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started
>> this process, he noted that it was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec
>> published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this
>> regard.
>>
>>
>> - We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work
>> would resume. It hasn't so I recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs
>> to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.
>>
>>
>> - Davide Vaghetti asked to wait until this time to see if the R&E
>> work would continue. I'll follow-up with Davide to see where things stand
>> since our last communication at the beginning of the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll follow-up once I have updates on FastFed and R&E.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> MIKE LESZCZ : OPERATIONS DIRECTOR : OPENID FOUNDATION
>>
>> *mike.leszcz at oidf.org <mike.leszcz at oidf.org>* : +1 803.239.7750
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Michael Jones <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM
>> *To:* blhjelm at gmail.com <blhjelm at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net <
>> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>; Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>;
>> Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz at oidf.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
>>
>>
>>
>> The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working
>> group, with no further work on them. This is exactly the same fate as
>> awaits the OpenID Connect Token Bound Authentication
>> <https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-token-bound-authentication-1_0.html>
>> specification in the EAP working group <https://openid.net/wg/eap/>,
>> once it is closed in two weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, for example, it’s the same situation as the OpenID Simple
>> Registration Extension
>> <https://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_1-01.html>
>> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished. There’s
>> lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for
>> lots of different reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bjorn Hjelm <blhjelm at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2025 4:42 PM
>> *To:* Michael Jones <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net; Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>;
>> Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz at oidf.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group
>> for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART
>> working group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is my
>> understanding correct? Are there any outstanding open issues that need to
>> be closed?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Bjorn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43 AM Michael Jones via specs-council <
>> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>>
>> Now that we have a repopulated Specifications Council
>> <https://openid.net/specs-council/>, I believe it’s time that we
>> exercise our responsibility to recommend closing of a working group.
>>
>>
>>
>> Section 4.4 of
>> https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf
>> says:
>>
>> The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that
>> the WG has not had Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the
>> time of closure, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a
>> Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting
>> procedures in §3.
>>
>>
>>
>> Section 4.7 says:
>>
>> The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that
>> the WG has not had an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days, and such
>> recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation
>> vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.
>>
>>
>>
>> There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list,
>> other than by Mike Leszcz, since March 2022
>> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/thread.html>.
>> The last commit to the working group repository
>> <https://bitbucket.org/openid/heart/src/master/> was in 2018.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please
>> reply-all with your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Bjorn
>>
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