[OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
Dima Postnikov
dima at postnikov.net
Mon Jun 23 05:15:57 UTC 2025
I am supportive too.
Will the WG page still be available (in the closed section, I assume), and
can we have a contact email address for people who have questions about the
specifications?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 at 13:37, Mark Haine via specs-council <
openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
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> I am supportive of closing down HEART WG. It is also great that MikeL has
> done the hard work to collect the facts relating to other dormant groups –
> THANKS MIKE! This is an important hygiene factor for the foundation.
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> Best Regards,
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> Mark Haine
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> *From: *specs-council <openid-specs-council-bounces at lists.openid.net> on
> behalf of Mike Leszcz via specs-council <
> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, 19 June 2025 at 13:21
> *To: *michael_b_jones at hotmail.com <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>,
> blhjelm at gmail.com <blhjelm at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net <
> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>, Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>,
> majordan at visa.com <majordan at visa.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
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> Hello all,
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> As background, I started addressing dormant working groups 2H 2024.
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> Below is my analysis of WGs that I viewed as dormant and shared these
> details (September 2024) with Gail, Marie, and Mike Jones:
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> - *EAP (co-chairs Mike Jones & Brian Campbell)*
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> - 10/14/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including
> announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20211011/000092.html>*
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> - 3/12/20 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-eap/Week-of-Mon-20200309/thread.html>*
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> - *FastFed (co-chairs Tim Cappalli, Darin McAdams, and Erik Gustavson)*
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> - 8/17/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-fastfed/Week-of-Mon-20220815/thread.html>* (announcing
> WG meetings resuming but it doesn’t seem to have occurred)
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> - 3/16/22 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16
> <https://bitbucket.org/openid/fastfed/wiki/WGMeeting-2022-03-16>*
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> - *HEART (chair Deb Bucci)*
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> - 3/31/22 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/001796.html>*
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> - 4/7/2020 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20200406/001743.html>*
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> - *R&E (chair Davide Vaghetti)*
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> - 6/21/21 -- last WG mail list activity (not including announcements): *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210621/000304.html>*
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> - 5/10/21 -- last published WG meeting notes: *https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-rande/Week-of-Mon-20210510/000302.html>*
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> Additional notes:
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> - Specific to the HEART discussion Deb Bucci supports closing the
> HEART WG as she confirmed via email.
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> - Mike J is winding down the EAP WG as we're aware. When we started
> this process, he noted that it was his plan to get the EAP Final Spec
> published and then sunset the WG so I appreciate Mike J's efforts in this
> regard.
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> - We agreed we would give FastFed additional time to see if that work
> would resume. It hasn't so I recommend I contact the FastFed WG co-chairs
> to get their temperature for sunsetting the WG.
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> - Davide Vaghetti asked to wait until this time to see if the R&E work
> would continue. I'll follow-up with Davide to see where things stand since
> our last communication at the beginning of the year.
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> I'll follow-up once I have updates on FastFed and R&E.
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> Best,
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> Mike
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> *From:* Michael Jones <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2025 7:51 PM
> *To:* blhjelm at gmail.com <blhjelm at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net <
> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net>; Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>; Mike
> Leszcz <mike.leszcz at oidf.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
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> The HEART specifications would remain as-is in the closed HEART working
> group, with no further work on them. This is exactly the same fate as
> awaits the OpenID Connect Token Bound Authentication
> <https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-token-bound-authentication-1_0.html>
> specification in the EAP working group <https://openid.net/wg/eap/>, once
> it is closed in two weeks.
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> And, for example, it’s the same situation as the OpenID Simple
> Registration Extension
> <https://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_1-01.html>
> specification, which was abandoned in 2006 without being finished. There’s
> lots of non-final specifications that work is no longer happening on, for
> lots of different reasons.
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> -- Mike
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> *From:* Bjorn Hjelm <blhjelm at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2025 4:42 PM
> *To:* Michael Jones <michael_b_jones at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net; Gail Hodges <gail at oidf.org>;
> Mike Leszcz <mike.leszcz at oidf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Closing the HEART working group
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> Hi Mike,
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> I agree that there hasn't been much activity in the HEART working group
> for a while. My assumption would be that the specifications in the HEART
> working group would be transferred to the AB/Connect working group. Is my
> understanding correct? Are there any outstanding open issues that need to
> be closed?
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> Kind Regards,
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> Bjorn
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> On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:43 AM Michael Jones via specs-council <
> openid-specs-council at lists.openid.net> wrote:
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> Now that we have a repopulated Specifications Council
> <https://openid.net/specs-council/>, I believe it’s time that we exercise
> our responsibility to recommend closing of a working group.
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> Section 4.4 of
> https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/OIDF_Process-Document_Final_2024-10-19.pdf
> says:
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> The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that
> the WG has not had Minimum Membership for six consecutive months at the
> time of closure, and such recommendation will promptly be submitted for a
> Supermajority confirmation vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting
> procedures in §3.
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> Section 4.7 says:
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> The Specifications Council may recommend closure of a WG at any time that
> the WG has not had an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days, and such
> recommendation will promptly be submitted for a Supermajority confirmation
> vote of the Board, in accordance with the voting procedures in §3.
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> There hasn’t been any e-mail sent to the working group mailing list, other
> than by Mike Leszcz, since March 2022
> <https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-heart/Week-of-Mon-20220328/thread.html>.
> The last commit to the working group repository
> <https://bitbucket.org/openid/heart/src/master/> was in 2018.
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> If there was ever a clear candidate for closure, this is it!
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> Spec council members (John, Mark, Dick, Bjorn, Dima, Nat), please
> reply-all with your thoughts.
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> -- Mike
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> --
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> Kind Regards,
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> Bjorn
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