[OIDFSC] OpenID v.Next Discovery Working Group Proposal

Mon May 24 02:50:10 UTC 2010

ditto.

I've long been arguing that current OpenID 2.0 Discovery portion of the 
spec has "bugs".

Let us get started.

Allen, if you do not mind, please add me to the list of proposers as well.

=nat

(2010/05/22 14:11), John Bradley wrote:
> Agreed,
>
> Once the charter is approved lets get this party started.
>
> John B.
> On 2010-05-21, at 7:58 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:
>
>    
>> Agreed.
>>
>> While it's clear that other WGs might have to coordinate with the
>> discovery WG, I think there's value in having a separate discovery WG
>> for the reasons you mention.
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 19:28, Allen Tom<atom at yahoo-inc.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Regarding all the various WG proposals – at least with the Discovery WG, I
>>> think there’s universal consensus that the existing OpenID 2.0 discovery
>>> mechanism is very deficient and  must be revised or even completely
>>> replaced. Yadis is obsolete and overly complex, and there’s been a lot of
>>> innovation in Discovery after OpenID 2.0 was finalized.
>>>
>>> The authors of the OpenID User Interface extension found several cases where
>>> OpenID discovery needed to be updated, yet extending the existing 2.0
>>> discovery did not quite work. (RP/OP Logos/Metadata, publishing which UI
>>> modes and display languages were supported, support for browser assistants,
>>> etc)
>>>
>>> The Discovery WG charter is well defined and  focused – the output of the WG
>>> is expected to be usable for future iterations of OpenID. Given that the
>>> community wants to quickly advance OpenID, my hope is that the future
>>> discovery work can be developed in parallel and kept in sync with the other
>>> initiatives.
>>>
>>> Allen
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/10 6:05 PM, "Allen Tom"<atom at yahoo-inc.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Per the OpenID Foundation IPR policies and procedures, this note formally
>>> proposes the formation of a new OpenID working group.  The charter and
>>> background information for the proposed group are as follows.
>>>
>>> (a)  Charter.
>>> (i)       WG name:  OpenID v.Next Discovery.
>>> (ii)      Purpose: Produce a discovery specification or family of discovery
>>> specifications for OpenID v.Next that address the limitations and drawbacks
>>> present in the OpenID 2.0 discovery facilities that limit OpenID’s
>>> applicability, adoption, usability, privacy, and security.  Specific goals
>>> are:
>>> ·     enable discovery for and normalization of OpenID identifiers,
>>> including those utilizing e-mail address syntax and those that are URLs,
>>>
>>> ·     enable discovery of features supported by OpenID v.Next OpenID
>>> Providers and Relying Parties,
>>>
>>> ·     enable discovery of attributes about OpenID v.Next OPs and RPs,
>>> including, but not limited to visual logos and human-readable site names,
>>>
>>> ·     enable discovery supporting a spectrum of clients, including passive
>>> clients per current usage, thin active clients, and active clients with OP
>>> functionality,
>>>
>>> ·     enable discovery supporting authentication to and use of attributes by
>>> non-browser applications,
>>>
>>> ·     enable discovery of public keys,
>>>
>>> ·     enable potential mechanisms for discovering context-relevant OpenID
>>> providers,
>>>
>>> ·     seamlessly integrate with and complement the other OpenID v.Next
>>> specifications.
>>>
>>>             Compatibility with OpenID 2.0 is an explicit non-goal for this
>>> work.
>>> (iii)     Scope: Produce a next generation OpenID discovery specification or
>>> specifications, consistent with the purpose statement.
>>> (iv)     Proposed List of Specifications:  OpenID v.Next Discovery and
>>> possibly related specifications.
>>> (v)      Anticipated audience or users of the work:  Implementers of OpenID
>>> Providers, Relying Parties, Active Clients, and non-browser applications
>>> utilizing OpenID.
>>> (vi)     Language in which the WG will conduct business:  English.
>>> (vii)    Method of work:  E-mail discussions on the working group mailing
>>> list, working group conference calls, and face-to-face meetings at the
>>> Internet Identity Workshop and OpenID summits.
>>> (viii)   Basis for determining when the work of the WG is completed:  Work
>>> will not be deemed to be complete until there is a consensus that the
>>> resulting protocol specification or family of specifications fulfills the
>>> working group goals.  Additional proposed changes beyond that initial
>>> consensus will be evaluated on the basis of whether they increase or
>>> decrease consensus within the working group.  The work will be completed
>>> once it is apparent that maximal consensus on the draft has been achieved,
>>> consistent with the purpose and scope.
>>> (b)  Background Information.
>>> (i)       Related work being done in other WGs or organizations:  OpenID
>>> Authentication 2.0 and related specifications, including Yadis 1.0.  OAuth
>>> and OAuth 2.0.  XRDS, XRD, host-meta, Web Linking, XAuth, LRDD, and
>>> WebFinger.
>>> (ii)      Proposers:
>>> Allen Tom, atom at yahoo-inc.com, Yahoo! (co-chair)
>>> Michael B. Jones, mbj at microsoft.com, Microsoft (co-chair)
>>> John Bradley, ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com, independent
>>> Dick Hardt, dick.hardt at gmail.com, independent
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> --Breno
>>
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