[OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create the TX working group
Allen Tom
atom at yahoo-inc.com
Thu Jan 22 06:03:48 UTC 2009
Hi All,
Please accept my apologies for missing the call today, I'm quite a bit
behind on my mail, and just saw the meeting invitation just now. Are
there any meeting minutes or action items?
Thanks
Allen
David Recordon wrote:
> Thanks, talk to you at 3pm Pacific.
>
> --David
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Tatsuki Sakushima <tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>> wrote:
>
> Members of the Spec Council and the CX WG Proposers,
>
> Since two members(David and Allen) from the Spec Council are
> available on 21st tomorrow,
> I'd like to schedule a telcon on 3pm 1/21. (Some of us have an
> ORMS telecon from 2pm, I'll make it start 5 mins passed 3pm.)
>
>
> Here is the access information for the conference bridge tomorrow:
>
>
> Date: Thursday, 15 January 2009 USA
> Time: 3:05PM - 4:05AM(PST)
> (This is PST. Please see the time at your time zone at Doodle.)
>
> TO ACCESS THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:
> Dial In Number: 1 (605) 475-4333
> Access Code: 199834
>
> For the proposers,
>
> Even though you don't update your schedule yet, please feel free
> to join the meeting.
>
>
> Best,
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute America, Inc.
>
>
> (1/20/09 2:14 PM), Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
>
> Thank you, David.
>
> To the proposers,
>
> Please update your availability on 3pm of 21st as well.
>
> 1. Go to http://www.doodle.com/rat2s87iyeqxd79z
> 2. Click "Edit an entry"
> 3. Click a little icon right next to your name
> 4. Apply the change
>
> I'd like to close this poll by the 9pm on PST today and send
> the conference bridge information to participants.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute America, Inc.
> TEL:(650)638-7258
> SkypeIn:(650)209-4811
>
> (1/20/09 12:59 PM), David Recordon wrote:
>
> 3pm Pacific works for me on the 21st. I'll update my
> Doodle response.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---
> Sent from my iPhone Classic.
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Tatsuki Sakushima
> <tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>> wrote:
>
> I temporarily add 3:00pm of 21st. When Mike or David
> suggest the time good for them,
> I'll update it.
>
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute America, Inc.
>
> (1/19/09 5:30 PM), Nat Sakimura wrote:
>
> What time woud be good then?
>
> =nat
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Mike Jones
> <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
> <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
> <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
> <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>>> wrote:
>
> I could do some other times that day but not that
> hour.
>
> -- Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>>
> [mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>>] On
> Behalf Of Drummond Reed
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:43 PM
> To: 'Nat Sakimura'; 'David Recordon'; 'Tatsuki
> Sakushima'
> Cc: specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>>
> Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create the
> TX working group
>
> Right now I could do the 21st at 15:00PST.
>
> =Drummond
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>
>
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council-bounces at openid.net>>
> [mailto:specs-council- <mailto:specs-council->
> <mailto:specs-council- <mailto:specs-council->>
>
> bounces at openid.net <mailto:bounces at openid.net>
> <mailto:bounces at openid.net
> <mailto:bounces at openid.net>>] On Behalf Of Nat
>
> Sakimura
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:45 PM
> To: David Recordon; Tatsuki Sakushima
> Cc: specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>>
> Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create
> the TX working group
>
> What about other people for 21st 15:00 PST?
>
> Tatsuki, could you add that date to the doodle
> poll as well?
>
> =nat
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Recordon" <recordond at gmail.com
> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com
> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com>>>
>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:51 PM
> To: "Tatsuki Sakushima" <tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>
> Cc: <specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>>>
> Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create
> the TX working group
>
> Thanks, though neither of those times work
> for me unfortunately
>
> but any
>
> time the 21st should.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Tatsuki
> Sakushima
>
> <tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>><mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As many of you suggested using Doodle.com,
> I created the event
>
> there:
>
>
> http://www.doodle.com/rat2s87iyeqxd79z
>
> Please update your schedule there.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute
> America, Inc.
>
> (1/15/09 5:04 PM), Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
> Dear the Specifications Council members
> (especially David and
>
> Mike) and
>
> the proposers of the CX WG,
>
> Upon the request by David, I re-schedule
> this teleconference to
>
> the next
>
> week.
>
> Please reply this message and specify the
> option that you
>
> prefer. Based
>
> on replies from all participants who
> intend to join, I'll set up a
> conference bridge and email them the
> information.
>
> I suggest the following schedules as
> candidate dates:
>
> 1) 4:00pm on 1/22(PST)
> 12:00am on 1/22(GMT)
> 9:00am on 1/23(JST)
>
> 2) 2:00pm on 1/23(PST)
> 10:00pm on 1/23(GMT)
> 7:00am on 1/24(JST)
>
> In the OIDFSC mailing list, David already
> stated and explained
>
> concerns
>
> about the previous charter submitted by Nat:
>
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-December/000045.html
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-December/000046.html
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-December/000027.html
>
> The group of the proposers(Nat, Drummond,
> John, Henrik and Tatsuki)
>
> gathered today to
>
> discuss how to change the charter that
> does hopefully eliminate the
>
> concerns mentioned in
>
> the messages from Mike and David. The
> updated version is on the
>
> same
>
> wiki page:
>
>
> http://wiki.openid.net/Working_Groups%3AContract_Exchange_1
>
> Please take another look at it before the
> teleconference and
>
> provide us
>
> feedbacks
>
> so that we can discuss about the new charter.
>
> If you have any comments or concerns about
> scheduling and so forth,
>
> please let me know.
>
>
> Best,
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute
> America, Inc.
>
> (1/15/09 2:50 PM), David Recordon wrote:
> Hi Tatsuki,
> I'm really sorry but it turns out that I
> must have mixed up my
>
> days when
>
> looking at the times yesterday. I have a two
> hour meeting at 3pm
>
> today.
>
>
> Is it possible to try to plan this call
> more than a day in
>
> advance for
>
> next week?
>
>
> Sorry,
> --David
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Tatsuki
> Sakushima
>
> <tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>><mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>><mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>>> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> David and Mike Jones from the spec council
> responded for this
> invitation.
> David can join a conference call on the 1)
> slot, so I'd like
>
> schedule
>
> a call on the date below:
>
> Date: Thursday, 15 January 2009 USA
> Time: 3:05PM - 4:05AM(PST)
> 11:05PM on 1/15(GMT)
> 8:05PM on 1/16(JST)
>
> TO ACCESS THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:
> Dial In Number: 1 (605) 475-4333
> Access Code: 199834
>
> From the proposers side, I confirmed that
> Nat, Drummond, John,
> and I can join. Unfortunately Mike Graves
> and Henrik cannot join
> because both of them are not available on
> the 1) slot but on
>
> the 2).
>
>
>
> Best,
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute
> America, Inc.
>
>
> (1/14/09 1:59 PM), Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I suggest the following schedules as
> candidate dates:
>
> 1) 2:00pm on 1/15(PST)
> 10:00pm on 1/15(GMT)
> 7:00am on 1/16(JST)
>
>
> On Thursday, there is a XRI TC telecon
> that many of us join.
> Therefore, I suggested a hour moved back
> on 1). The new
>
> schedule
>
> is below:
>
> 1) 3:00pm on 1/15(PST)
> 11:00pm on 1/15(GMT)
> 8:00am on 1/16(JST)
>
> Sorry for members in Europe. I might be
> hard to join it
>
> at this
>
> hour.
>
> Best,
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute
> America, Inc.
> TEL:(650)638-7258
> SkypeIn:(650)209-4811
>
> (1/14/09 1:45 PM), Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
>
> (The options of the schedules have the
> same number. I
>
> send the
>
> collection and please discard the previous
> one.)
>
> Dear the Specifications Council members
> (especially David
> and Mike) and
> the proposers of the CX WG,
>
> Upon the request of scheduling a call by
> Nat, I'd like to
> invite all the
> members of the spec council and the CX WG
> proposers to a
> teleconference
> to discuss how to solve the charter
> clarification and
>
> scope
>
> concerns
> pointed out by the spec council.
>
> I suggest the following schedules as
> candidate dates:
>
> 1) 2:00pm on 1/15(PST)
> 10:00pm on 1/15(GMT)
> 7:00am on 1/16(JST)
>
> 2) 2:00pm on 1/16(PST)
> 10:00pm on 1/16(GMT)
> 7:00am on 1/17(JST)
>
> Please reply this message and specify the
> option that you
> prefer. Based
> on replies from all participants who
> intend to join, I'll
> set up a
> conference bridge and email them the
> information.
>
> In the OIDFSC mailing list, David already
> stated and
> explained concerns
> about the previous charter submitted by Nat:
>
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-
>
> December/000045.html
>
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-
>
> December/000046.html
>
> http://openid.net/pipermail/specs-council/2008-
>
> December/000027.html
>
>
> I think that the goal of this telecon is:
>
> a) For the proposers to clarify points of
> concerns
>
> raised by
>
> the council
> and explain intentions of the WG.
> b) For the spec council to provide concrete
>
> suggestions to
>
> make the
> charter comfortable and reasonable to the spec
>
> council and
>
> the community .
>
> If you have any comments or concerns on
> this message,
>
> please
>
> let me know.
>
> Best,
> Tatsuki
>
> Tatsuki Sakushima
> NRI Pacific - Nomura Research Institute
> America, Inc.
>
> (1/13/09 12:15 AM), Nat Sakimura wrote:
>
> Tatsuki,
>
> Could you kindly set-up a followup call,
> please?
>
> In the mean time though, I would like to
> ask spec
> council members for the response towards
> the answers
> given by the proposers to your concerns.
> Any concrete
> suggestion to make it acceptable to the spec
>
> council is
>
> also welcome. It's a wiki, after all.
>
> As to the "community support", it would
> probably
>
> depend
>
> on what "community".
> The proposers are probably talking of
> higher value
> transaction users, and if we do it in timely
>
> manner, I
>
> am pretty confident that it will have some
>
> traction, but
>
> it needs to happen fast. If we take too much
>
> time, the
>
> opportunity will go away from OpenID.
>
> =nat
>
> 2009/1/1 Drummond Reed
>
> <Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>><mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>>>
>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>><mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>>>>
>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>><mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>>>
>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>><mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net
> <mailto:Drummond.Reed at parityinc.net>>>>>>
>
>
> David,
>
> First, I agree with Henrik's comments (see his
> separate email).
> Second, to say, "I do not believe that it
>
> currently
>
> has sufficient
> support within the OpenID community to
>
> succeed", did
>
> you see the
> list of proposers for this workgroup?
>
> * Drummond Reed,
>
> drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>><mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>>>
>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>><mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>>>>
>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>><mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>>>
>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>><mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com
> <mailto:drummond.reed at parity.com>>>>>,
>
> Cordance/Parity/OASIS (U.S.A)
> * Henrik Biering,
>
> hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>><mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>>>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>><mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>>>>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>><mailto:hb at netamia.com
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
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>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com
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> <mailto:hb at netamia.com>
> <mailto:hb at netamia.com <mailto:hb at netamia.com>>>>>,
>
> Netamia (Denmark)
> * Hideki Nara, hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-> <mailto:hdknr at ic-
> <mailto:hdknr at ic->>
>
> tact.co.jp <http://tact.co.jp>
> <http://tact.co.jp>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>>>,
>
> Tact Communications (Japan)
> * John Bradeley,
>
> jbradley at mac.com <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>><mailto:jbradley at mac.com
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>>>
>
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>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com
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> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>>>>
>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com
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> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>>>
>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com
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>
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> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com
> <mailto:jbradley at mac.com>>>>>,
>
> OASIS IDTrust Member Section (Canada)
> * Mike Graves,
>
> mgraves at janrain.com <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>
>
> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com
> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>><mailto:mgraves at janrain.com
> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>
> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com
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>
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> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com
> <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>>>>>,
>
> JanRain, Inc. (U.S.A.)
> * Nat Sakimura, n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
> <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
> <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>><mailto:n-
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>
> sakimura at nri.co.jp <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp>
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> <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp>>>
>
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>
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>
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>
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> <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp>>>
>
> <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
> <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>
>
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> sakimura at nri.co.jp <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp>
> <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp
> <mailto:sakimura at nri.co.jp>>>>>, Nomura
>
> Research Institute,
>
> Ltd.(Japan)
> * Robert Ott,
>
> robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
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> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
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>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
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> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>>>>
>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
>
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> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
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>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
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> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com
> <mailto:robert.ott at clavid.com>>>>>, Clavid
>
> (Switzerland)
>
> * Tatsuki Sakushima,
>
> tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>><mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>
>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
>
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>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
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>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
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> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>
> <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com <mailto:tatsuki at nri.com>>>>>,
>
> NRI America, Inc. (U.S.A.)
> * Toru Yamaguchi,
>
> trymch at gmail.com <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>><mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>>>
>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>><mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>>>>
>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
>
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>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
>
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> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>><mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com
> <mailto:trymch at gmail.com>>>>>,
>
> Cybozu Labs (Japan)
>
> In short, my first reaction to reading your
>
> email was
>
> to think,
> "Wow, here it is, the first example of OpenID
>
> turning
>
> into W3C and
> IETF and every other standards
> organization that
> turns into a small
> group of insiders trying to control
> innovation!"
>
> Of course I think you, more than almost
>
> anyone,
>
> can appreciate the
> irony of that thought - I believe it was
> to avoid
> that very
> situation that the OIDF was created, no?
>
> So if we DON'T want that to happen, I
>
> think what
>
> we need to do ASAP
> is turn this into a constructive dialog
>
> between the
>
> proposers of
> this Working Group and the Specs Council
> about how
> the charter might
> be amended to addess some of your concerns.
>
> (I'm not
>
> commenting yet
> on your specific concerns, other than to say
>
> that I
>
> agree with some
> and not with others.)
>
> I suspect email is going to be much too
>
> slow for
>
> such a dialog, so I
> would suggest that Nat and Tatksuki set up a
>
> telecon
>
> between the
> Working Group proposers and the Specs Council
> members. I would also
> suggest that before such a telecon, the Specs
>
> Council
>
> get together
> and collectively list their issues with the
>
> Charter
>
> on the Working
> Group Charter page. I have added a section for
>
> this
>
> purpose:
>
>
>
> http://wiki.openid.net/Working_Groups%3AContract_Exchange_1#cSpecification
>
>
> CouncilIssues
>
>
>
> It may be that all the Specs Council members
> agree with your four
> points below, in which case you can just
> wholesale
> copy them into
> the wiki page. However it is very important
>
> that the
>
> Specs Council
> come to it's own consensus about the
> issues it has
> with the charter,
> because without that, the WG proposers have no
>
> hope
>
> of addressing
> these issues, either with counterarguments
> or with
> potential amendments.
>
> Listing the issues there also enables us
>
> to have
>
> a more focused
> discussion than email alone by using comments
> directly on the wiki page.
>
> =Drummond
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> *From:* David Recordon
>
> [mailto:recordond at gmail.com
> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com>
>
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>
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> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com>
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>
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> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com>
>
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> <mailto:recordond at gmail.com
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>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:33 AM
> *To:* Nat Sakimura
> *Cc:* specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>
>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>><mailto:specs-
> <mailto:specs-> <mailto:specs- <mailto:specs->>
>
> council at openid.net <mailto:council at openid.net>
> <mailto:council at openid.net
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>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
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>
> council at openid.net <mailto:council at openid.net>
> <mailto:council at openid.net
> <mailto:council at openid.net>>>>
>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
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>
> council at openid.net <mailto:council at openid.net>
> <mailto:council at openid.net
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>
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net
> <mailto:specs-council at openid.net>
>
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>
> council at openid.net <mailto:council at openid.net>
> <mailto:council at openid.net
> <mailto:council at openid.net>>>>>;
>
> Josh Hoyt; Tatsuki Sakushima; John Bradley;
> hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
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> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
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> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>><mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
> <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>>>>>;
>
> Robert Ott; Michael
>
> Graves; Henrik
> Biering; Drummond Reed; Nat Sakimura; 山口徹
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create
>
> the TX
>
> working group
>
> Hi Nat,
>
> I read Josh's email as agreeing with Mike's
>
> statement
>
> of:
>
>
> The OpenID Specifications Council
> recommends that
> members reject
> this proposal to create a working group
>
> because the
>
> charter is
> excessively broad, it seems to propose the
>
> creation
>
> of new
> mechanisms that unnecessarily create new ways
>
> to do
>
> accomplish
> existing tasks, such as digital
> signatures, and it
> the proposal is
> not sufficiently clear on whether it
> builds upon
> existing mechanisms
> such as AX 1.0 in a compatible manner, or
>
> whether it
>
> requires
> breaking changes to these underlying
> protocols.
>
>
> While you have clarified that you don't
> intend to
> create a new XML
> signature mechanism, OAuth describes a
>
> mechanism to
>
> use public keys
> to sign these sorts of parameters. Signatures
>
> aside,
>
> as Mike said
> other aspects of the charter seem quite broad
>
> and it
>
> is unclear how
> it will build upon AX 1.0 and other underlying
> existing OpenID
> technologies.
>
> Given the draft charter at
>
> http://wiki.openid.net/Working_Groups%3AContract_Exchange_1:
>
> 1) The purpose of producing a series of
> extensions
> seems too broad. OpenID was born on the
> idea of
> doing one simple thing and we've seen
> success with OpenID and related
> technologies when
> they are made up
> of small pieces loosely joined. OpenID
> Authentication 2.0 broke
> this rule in some areas and we're now
> seeing the
> repercussions of
> doing so.
>
> 2) In what jurisdictions are these contracts
>
> legally
>
> binding? Is
> "arbitrary parties to create and exchange a
> mutually-digitally-signed legally binding
>
> 'contract'"
>
> a justifiable
> statement or should it be toned down? It
>
> should also
>
> be kept in
> mind that since OpenID's creation it has
> been very
> clear that OpenID
> does not provide trust, but rather trust can
>
> be built
>
> on top of
> identity. I'm not saying that OpenID
> should never
> deal with trust,
> just trying to understand if this Working
> Group
> intends to change
> how OpenID currently does not create this
> form of
>
> trust.
>
>
> 3) The purpose says that the Working Group
>
> intends to
>
> possibly
> extend AX and create a series of
>
> specifications. It
>
> does not seem
> prudent to give a Working Group the ability to
> arbitrarily extend an
> existing extension or create an unlimited
>
> number of
>
> specifications.
>
> 4) The Scope section is still not clear as
> to what
> the Working Group
> will actually be producing. I would prefer
> to see
> the section
> rewritten, maybe mimicking the structure
> currently
> being considered
> for the specification.
>
> As to if you wish to force this proposal
>
> forward, I
>
> do not believe
> that it currently has sufficient support
>
> within the
>
> OpenID community
> to succeed and that its broad scope
>
> contravenes the
>
> community's
> purpose. This is why I'm really hoping
> that the
> proposal can be
> refined to something which will be successful
>
> that a
>
> broad community
> can get behind!
>
> --David
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Nat Sakimura
> <sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>><mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>>>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>><mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>>>>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>><mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>>>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>><mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com
> <mailto:sakimura at gmail.com>>>>>>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Josh,
> To which statement did you agree?
>
> There has been a several things that has been
> pointed out, but I
> think I have answered to them.
> For example, for XML Sig, I have stated
>
> that this
>
> spec is not for
> XML, etc.
> For modularization, yes, that is a possibility
>
> but a
>
> scope needs to
> be able to cover a field that it requires,
>
> even if it
>
> ends up not
> covering that field.
> It is impossible to widen the scope though
>
> narrowing
>
> it down at a
> later date is easy.
> Unfortunately, I have not heard back any
>
> concrete
>
> response
> for amendments. It would be more constructive
>
> to have
>
> those.
> Also, if you are giving advise to the
>
> membership
>
> an recommendation
> for not approving it, you need to state the
>
> reasons
>
> concretely.
> It needs to be one of
> (a) an incomplete Proposal (i.e.,
>
> failure to
>
> comply with §4.1);
> (b) a determination that the proposal
>
> contravenes
>
> the OpenID
> community's purpose;
> (c) a determination that the proposed WG
>
> does not
>
> have sufficient
> support to succeed
>
> or to deliver proposed deliverables
>
> within
>
> projected
> completion dates; or
> (d) a determination that the proposal is
>
> likely
>
> to cause legal
> liability for the OIDF or others.
> and should state why the proposal falls
>
> into one
>
> of the criteria
> concretely and accountably.
> Regards,
> =nat
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Josh Hoyt
> <josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>><mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>>>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
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> <mailto:josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>>>>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
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> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>>>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>><mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com
> <mailto:josh at janrain.com>>>>>>
>
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mike Jones
>
>
> <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
> <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
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>
> wrote:
>
> I realize it was Christmas week but
> it's been a
>
> week and we've
> heard nothing
>
> from any of the other specs council
> members on
>
> this proposal (or
> the other
>
> one as well).
>
>
> I agree with the statement that you made about
>
> this
>
> proposal.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> -- Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
> -- Nat Sakimura
>
> (=nat)
>
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
> d nothing
>
> from any of the other specs council
> members on
>
> this proposal (or
> the other
>
> one as well).
>
>
> I agree with the statement that you made about
>
> this
>
> proposal.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> -- Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
> -- Nat Sakimura
>
> (=nat)
>
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
>
>
>
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