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Principal Solution Architect, Security Specialist<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA"> Lombardo,
Jeff <jeffsec@amazon.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> November 4, 2025 11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> agent2agent <agent2agent@ietf.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pieter Kasselman <pieter@spirl.com>; Lombardo, Jeff <jeffsec@amazon.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Follow-up on the Tuesday side meeting on AI Protocols<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">As requested during the side meeting, here some additional pointers for the justifications that some of the elements of Authentication and Authorization are, as of now, worked on in other Area and SDO’s:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Delegation of Authorization is the core of the OAuth Working Group<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">The Working Group is making some good progress on Cross Trust Domain boundaries<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-assertion-authz-grant/01/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-assertion-authz-grant/01/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-chaining/06/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-identity-chaining/06/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">We should not forget than Model Context Protocol decided to rely on OAuth to prevent defining a new way of dealing with Authorization in their specification. Such
behavior accelerated the following draft in the OAuth WG:<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">OAuth 2.0 Protected Resource Metadata -
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9728/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9728/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">OAuth Client ID Metadata Document -
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-client-id-metadata-document/00/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-client-id-metadata-document/00/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">OAuth 2.1 -
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-1-14">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-1-14</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Best Current Practice for OAuth 2.0 Security -
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9700">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9700</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">We should also note A2A is completely capable of working with OAuth credentials<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">When involving users, the OpenID Foundation as this at the heart of OpenID Connect<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html">https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Agent authentication and identification is the core of the WIMSE Working Group
<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Global repository:
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/wimse/documents/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/wimse/documents/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Architecture:
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-arch/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-arch/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Workload to Workload secure interactions (stop at the security, does not define the applicative layer of interactions):
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-s2s-protocol/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-s2s-protocol/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3">Identifier:
<span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-identifier/"><span lang="FR-CA">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-wimse-identifier/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Those two working groups are working
<i>de concert</i> to ensure that all of this multi trust domain capable and credential exchanging capable<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">On the Authorization side:<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">The market, as part of Zero Trust, is embracing ABAC [NIST
<a href="https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/sp/800/162/upd2/final">https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/sp/800/162/upd2/final</a>] in the form of policies that can handle expanded taxonomy<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Cedar Language emerged as a mathematically provable language for scalable policy evaluation<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://github.com/cedar-policy">https://github.com/cedar-policy</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Currently looking to be transferred to CNCF<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">Automated Reasoning capabilities:
<a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.04651">https://arxiv.org/pdf/2403.04651</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">The OpenID Foundation is currently standardizing how a PEP can ask for an Authorization decision to a PDP. In your case, each Agent would be a PEP.<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">This is happening through the AuthZEN Working Group :
<a href="https://openid.net/wg/authzen/">https://openid.net/wg/authzen/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo3"><span lang="EN-CA">This currently going though final review for version 1.0 :
<a href="https://openid.net/public-review-period-for-proposed-authorization-api-1-final-specification/">
https://openid.net/public-review-period-for-proposed-authorization-api-1-final-specification/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I hope those elements would allow you to improve the definition of the scope by understanding that those ICAM (Identification, Credentialling, and Access Management) problems should be out of scope and should remain build
upon what is done and standardized into those other Area / WG / SDO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-CA">Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Amazon Ember Heavy",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">Jean-François “<span style="color:#E97132">Jeff</span>” Lombardo</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Amazon Ember Light",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">|<span style="color:gray">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Amazon Ember Light",sans-serif;color:gray;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">Architecte Principal de Solutions, Spécialiste de Sécurité<br>
Principal Solution Architect, Security Specialist<br>
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