<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Please find below the minutes from our call last month.</div><div><br></div><div>All meeting minutes can be found here: <a href="https://github.com/openid/authzen/wiki/Meetings">https://github.com/openid/authzen/wiki/Meetings</a></div><div>Jan 9th 2024: <a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109">https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109</a></div><div><br></div><div><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Agenda" title="" aria-describedby="popover309673" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px;margin-top:0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Agenda</span><div class="gmail-popover gmail-selection-popover gmail-top gmail-in" id="gmail-popover309673" style="box-sizing:border-box;max-width:276px;padding:1px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:1.42857;letter-spacing:normal;word-break:normal;word-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb(119,119,119);background-clip:padding-box;border:1px solid rgba(0,0,0,0.2);border-radius:6px;line-break:auto;color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div class="gmail-arrow" style="box-sizing:border-box;width:0px;height:0px;border-color:transparent;border-style:solid;border-width:11px 11px 0px"></div><div class="gmail-popover-inner" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-popover-content gmail-!px-0" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:9px 0px"></div></div></div></h2><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">👉 </span><em style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Add items that you would like to cover on the call</span></em><span style="box-sizing:border-box"> 👈</span></p><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Reminders:</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">All members can vote in the OIDF Community Representative election </span><a href="https://openid.net/foundation/members/elections/58" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">https://openid.net/foundation/members/elections/58</span></a></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Corporate members can vote for Corporate Representatives</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Voting is open until 12 pm PST on Jan 16</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Identiverse update</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@davidbrossard" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@davidbrossard</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box"> spoke with Andi on Jan 8 (update here?)</span></li></ul></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Why other frameworks and prior art</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin McAdams on Amazon Verified Permissions</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David Hyland on OAuth</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@davidbrossard" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@davidbrossard</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box"> on XACML</span></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Define the first use case (update from @xmlgrrl)</span></p></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Design patterns document</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Review comments from @alexbabeanu, @xmlgrrl, and others on </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/H2a8WW2vTjOc5xy4Tm85oQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Authorization Design Patterns</span></a></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">PEP-PDP Patterns Document: </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/BJ0kLlnB6" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/BJ0kLlnB6</span></a></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Review comments</span></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Use Cases: PDP ↔ PEP Communication Scheme</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/BJ0kLlnB6" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Use Cases: PDP ↔ PEP Communication Scheme</span></a></p></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:16px 0px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Interesting articles</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@gerryatstrata" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@gerryatstrata</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">'s article on AuthZEN in Forbes: </span><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2023/12/27/how-standardization-could-bridge-gaps-in-authorization/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2023/12/27/how-standardization-could-bridge-gaps-in-authorization/</span></a></li></ul></li></ul><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Attendees" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Attendees" title="Attendees" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Attendees</span></h2><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">👉 </span><em style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Write your name down if you plan to attend</span></em><span style="box-sizing:border-box">. 👈</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean O'Dell </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@HEYeftZsRoKWZN2WjscpGA" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@HEYeftZsRoKWZN2WjscpGA</a><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@xmlgrrl" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@xmlgrrl</a><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex Babeanu</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Mike Kiser</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland Baum</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin McAdams</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David Hyland</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Elie Azerad</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Jamie Lin</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Victor Lu</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Wade Ellery</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George Fletcher</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Ash Narkar</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Rifaat Shekh-Yusef</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul Tulshibagwale (SGNL)</span></p><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Notes" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Notes" title="Notes" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Notes</span></h2><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Notes are going here :)</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin - was there a date to be ready to present?</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin - Get more time with the api subgroup next Tue/Wed @ 11amPT</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David - working on getting a time setup for OAuth</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul - Darin's preso during regular slot, his preference.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul - If meeting as subgroups for P</span><em style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">P do we change this frequency to bi-weekly or weekly? Eve, would we be doing interop planning here?</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul - We don't ahve a spec and need one for interop planning.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean - Agree with Atul, Eve.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex - repurpose next week for design patterns, but putting Darin there instead</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin - He will be ready next week.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean/Alex - Will get the design pattern call setup with Gerry for the following week.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland - Do we schedule, a separate call, for the PDP - PEP Communication scheme post Design patterns? Generally it is a yes, we sould.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve - Will help with the benefits and proof points for interop.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland - The communication scheme is more technical.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve - asked some intersting question on which P</span></em><span style="box-sizing:border-box">P to ask?</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve - terminology exercise</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">categorizing it in HackMD is not the right tool. Rabbit hole going down with tools, but looking at graphing it out :) Going to put together the raw data and how to map it to a friendly form. Relates a lot to "Comedy of Errors" below and will be a useful tool. We are proving we understand old and new tools and how the relate and inter-relate. Showed a great visual drawing. Not leave OAuth in the cloud.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George - We tend to bein a world authN first and authN a session to a significant enough level so that users got seamless enough access. Oh I need access to X but AuthN is part of the AuthZ policy. We inverted the UX. OAuth is the authorization first model, but wait you need to login. But it does not have the modern hooks needed to do what we need it to do. It could be the order of them is important but it is super super fuzzy. What could we do with OAuth?</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex - OAuth has the Rich Authorization Request (RAR) extension</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George - RAR and OAuth</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">how do I allow a transaction for a transaction token to be specific to that context? There is a resource indicator spec as well. Are those sufficient for describing the policy being invoking?</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David - Extending the usage of RAR to get VC's and is being used as a conduit for communication what we need and when. OID VC is starting to add more attributes into more of the paylod for RAR. Lower level detail below scopes has not been defined.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean - Transaction Tokens</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">as an option for an extension.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David - what is a subject? Is it really? the subject should have control over a private key.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland - Chicken and egg problem will occur with scope creep with RAR and PDP</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">big big rabbit hole.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve- Policy Information Points are mui importante 100%.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul - RAR can provide the context and requestor</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">but the context should be considered along with other things. RAR by itself may not be sufficient.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex - RAR was to convey a request with possible additional information.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul - Transaction Tokens Spec: </span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-transaction-tokens/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-transaction-tokens/</span></a><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Elie - We see more and more use cases on privacy. We can keep anonymity along with privacy here as well. Its occuring more in the financial sector/space</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David - Multi party accounts for open banking type of things. Grant Mgmt API was mentioned here. Important to signal chaining and is a signal for authorization.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George - there is or are multiple data models in the multi-party context (i.e. an IDentity graph). Delegated authorization. But there is an underlying data model for certain use cases for delegation and will need both. Data model dependent on restrictions or enablement.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David - consent and delegation is key</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland - Delegated AuthZ = reminds of AuthZ Assurance Levels ROFL</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve - ZAL</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland - AuthZ Consent</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean - Have to call the meeting early</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">the ACL did it</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Wade - PDP/PEP comment. If you start distributing it at the PDP layer you have synchronization complexity. It's a trap - Admiral Ackbar. We have to avoid this</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">more sources of truth get plumbed in the scenario. where you source your PIP from is of critical importance. Making decisions on the same kind of centralized data is important, like session based info</span><span class="gmail-smartypants" style="box-sizing:border-box">…</span><span style="box-sizing:border-box">if you have a one stop shop less complexity and less drift (both poicy and data).</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Eve - who is approach PEP/PDP? OAuth is the client.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Jamie - authz if we matured it, we need something like authz exchange.</span><br style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Elie - APL - Authorization Persistence Layer</span></p><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Other" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Other" title="Other" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Other</span></h2><h3 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-How-to-join-OpenID-slack" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;font-size:1.25em;letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#How-to-join-OpenID-slack" title="How-to-join-OpenID-slack" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">How to join OpenID slack</span></h3><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Contact Mike for an invite: </span><a href="mailto:mike.leszcz@oidf.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">mike.leszcz@oidf.org</span></a></li></ul><h3 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Use-Case-Work-Eve" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;font-size:1.25em;letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Use-Case-Work-Eve" title="Use-Case-Work-Eve" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Use Case Work (Eve)</span></h3><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">See </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/BJxrqVqIp" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/BJxrqVqIp</span></a></p><h3 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Identiverse" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;font-size:1.25em;letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Identiverse" title="Identiverse" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Identiverse</span></h3><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@omri submitted a panel with Atul, Eve, Gerry, Alex, David, and himself.</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@gerryatstrata and @davidbrossard will follow up with Andi Hindle re. floor space for AuthZEN (or OpenID?)</span></li></ul><h3 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Interesting-Reads" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;font-size:1.25em;letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Interesting-Reads" title="Interesting-Reads" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Interesting Reads</span></h3><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://idpro.org/unauthorized-the-comedy-of-errors/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Unauthorized - the comedy of errors</span></a></li></ul><h3 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Splitting-into-sub-calls" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;font-size:1.25em;letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240109#Splitting-into-sub-calls" title="Splitting-into-sub-calls" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Splitting into sub-calls</span></h3><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px;margin-bottom:0px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">David set up a call for the PDP API spec on Dec 20 (contact David if you are not already on the invite)</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@davidbrossard</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Atul</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@omri</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Rifaat</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Elie</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean O</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland Baum</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@alexbabeanu" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@alexbabeanu</a></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Mike Kiser</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex Babenau</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Wade Ellery</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George Fletcher</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Dave Hyland</span></li></ul></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Alex to set up a call for the design patterns in early Jan</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@alexbabeanu</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">@gerryatstrata</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Dani Katzman</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Dave Hyland</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Roland Baum</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Omri</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Rifaat</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Elie</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Jeff Broberg</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@xmlgrrl" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@xmlgrrl</a></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Sean O</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">George Fletcher</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Mike Kiser</span></li></ul></li></ul></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>