<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<br><div><br></div><div>To be more compliant with OpenID rules, I've pasted the minutes here:</div><div><br></div><div><h1 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Meeting-Notes-2024-01-16" title="" aria-describedby="popover974324" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Meeting Notes 2024-01-16</span><div class="gmail-popover gmail-selection-popover gmail-top gmail-in" id="gmail-popover974324" style="box-sizing:border-box;max-width:276px;padding:1px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:1.42857;letter-spacing:normal;word-break:normal;word-spacing:normal;background-color:rgb(119,119,119);background-clip:padding-box;border:1px solid rgba(0,0,0,0.2);border-radius:6px;line-break:auto;color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div class="gmail-arrow" style="box-sizing:border-box;width:0px;height:0px;border-color:transparent;border-style:solid;border-width:11px 11px 0px"></div><div class="gmail-popover-inner" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-popover-content gmail-!px-0" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:9px 0px"></div></div></div></h1><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-New-members" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116#New-members" title="New-members" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">New members</span></h2><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Welcome đź‘‹ to the NIST team, Cloudentity, Radiant Logic, and Cerbos.</span></p><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Prior-Art-Cedar-Background" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116#Prior-Art-Cedar-Background" title="Prior-Art-Cedar-Background" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Prior Art: Cedar Background</span></h2><p class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Darin's </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FAwPXX3dN1sOB8ICihP9rqC4TDtjsZs2cOuE0pYa29Q/edit" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">AWS Cedar Overview</span></a></p><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">There is consensus that we are trying to harmonize how to send a request and process a response</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Cedar uses the PARC model. Atul's current design doesn't have room for context. We need to add that</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Cedar's model is symmetric i.e. Principal, Action, Resource, and Context are all equivalent.</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Passing in the policies that are to be crunched: </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@davidbrossard" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@davidbrossard</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box"> seems to think it's out of bounds</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Passing in the data to be used: that goes against the PIP model but addresses issues of scale</span></li></ul><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Action-Items" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116#Action-Items" title="Action-Items" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Action Items</span></h2><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://hackmd.io/@davidbrossard" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@davidbrossard</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box"> will build a comparison between different models in the prior art doc to drive the next iteration of the spec</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">We need to agree on what we want to show in the interop</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:2em"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Is it a Postman collection that can be used against any vendor (Aserto, Axiomatics, 3Edges?)</span></li></ul></li></ul><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Next-Steps" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116#Next-Steps" title="Next-Steps" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Next Steps</span></h2><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">2 calls scheduled to go over OAuth (David Hyland) and ALFA (David Brossard) on Thursday and Friday 11am PT</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Design patterns doc (</span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@alexbabeanu" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@alexbabeanu</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">): Alex will schedule a follow-up</span></li></ul><h2 class="gmail-part" id="gmail-Other-Items" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);letter-spacing:0.35px"><a class="gmail-anchor gmail-hidden-xs" href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116#Other-Items" title="Other-Items" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none;float:left;padding-right:4px;line-height:1"><span class="gmail-octicon gmail-octicon-link" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:1;font-family:octicons;display:inline-block;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:middle"></span></a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Other Items</span></h2><ul class="gmail-part" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;padding-left:2em;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Roboto,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:16px;letter-spacing:0.35px;margin-bottom:0px"><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">Identiverse participation: interop exercise prior to the conference followed by a readout during the main agenda</span></li><li class="gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-top:0.25em"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">All, please read up </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@xmlgrrl" class="gmail-mention-anchor gmail-user-card-popover" target="_blank" rel="noopener" title="" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">@xmlgrrl</a><span style="box-sizing:border-box">'s </span><a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/InteropScenarios" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:border-box">interop scenarios</span></a></li></ul></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 12:10 PM David Brossard <<a href="mailto:david.brossard@gmail.com">david.brossard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for attending today. Here are today's meeting notes: <a href="https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116" target="_blank">https://hackmd.io/@oidf-wg-authzen/wg-meeting-20240116</a></div><div><br></div><div>Darin's document can be found here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FAwPXX3dN1sOB8ICihP9rqC4TDtjsZs2cOuE0pYa29Q/edit#heading=h.wve3mxzb3rfi" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FAwPXX3dN1sOB8ICihP9rqC4TDtjsZs2cOuE0pYa29Q/edit#heading=h.wve3mxzb3rfi</a></div><div><br></div><div>Those of you who missed the call can watch the replay (Mike, can you share the link?)<br><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>David</div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">---<br>David Brossard<br><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbrossard" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbrossard</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/davidjbrossard" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/davidjbrossard</a><br><a href="http://about.me/brossard" target="_blank">http://about.me/brossard</a><br>---<br>Stay safe on the Internet: <a href="https://www.capefearnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Internet-Fraud-Prevention-Tips-IC3.pdf" target="_blank">IC3 Prevention Tips</a><br>Prenez vos prĂ©cautions sur Internet: <a href="http://www.securite-informatique.gouv.fr/gp_rubrique34.html" target="_blank">http://www.securite-informatique.gouv.fr/gp_rubrique34.html</a></div></div>