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Dick,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’m confused. As discussed yesterday in the IPSIE WG we agreed that the items in <a href="https://github.com/openid/ipsie/issues/62">https://github.com/openid/ipsie/issues/62</a> - which includes tenancy - would best be resolved in AB Connect. What’s the resistance to handling those separately in AB Connect instead of tying them up in the provider commands work? </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A simple doc describing the tenancy parameters should be easy to complete in the WG, supporting both your use case for provide commands and your desire to have this available for IPSIE SL1. I don’t see the risk of both a tenancy doc and the provider commands doc happening in parallel if it achieves the same outcome.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’m not looking to pick a fight - on or off list - I simply want to resolve this in the fastest way possible so we can move on with the work at hand.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-dhs</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">--<br><div dir="ltr">Dean H. Saxe, <a href="https://idpro.org/cidpro/">CIDPRO</a> (he/him)</div><div dir="ltr">Principal Engineer</div><div dir="ltr">Office of the CTO</div><div dir="ltr">Beyond Identity</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com">dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com</a></div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mar 12, 2025 at 2:06:26 PM, Dick Hardt via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>And once again, that is not an option that is acceptable for me, tenancy is a requirement for my use case, as is bulk transfer. It is not a matter of like, or not like. Therefore it is NOT a legitimate alternative. </div><div><br></div><div>Here is my analogy:</div><br>I want eggs benedict. <div><br>But you want it without hollandaise sauce, and you want bread instead of an English muffin, and you want the bread on the side. <br><br>That is not eggs benedict -- it is just eggs and toast. <br><br><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 8:45 PM Brian Campbell <<a href="mailto:bcampbell@pingidentity.com">bcampbell@pingidentity.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Once again, the alternative I'm suggesting, which is absolutely a legitimate alternative even if you don't like it, is removal of treatment of tenancy and bulk transfer. <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 1:21 PM Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Once again, per the subject line, we would welcome an alternative proposal Brian.<br><br>Stating it is not appropriate is an opinion, not a solution.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 6:20 PM Brian Campbell <<a href="mailto:bcampbell@pingidentity.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bcampbell@pingidentity.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">No one is pretending that multi-tenant OPs don't exist. It's that trying to address one narrow aspect of tenancy in an ancillary document is inappropriate. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 9:59 AM Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">If you have an alternative approach to enabling multi-tenant OPs to signal which tenant they are acting on behalf of, I would be interested in hearing it.<br><br>Pretending that multi-tenant OPs don't exist or should not exist is not an option.<br><br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:52 PM Brian Campbell <<a href="mailto:bcampbell@pingidentity.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bcampbell@pingidentity.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The suggestion has been that tenancy need not and should not be modeled at all in OP Commands. <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 4:10 AM Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hey<div><br></div><div>Karl and I are looking forward to rolling up our sleeves and working on OP Commands.</div><div><br></div><div>While we have modelled OP tenants as a claim with a tenant identifier or type of tenant, we know there may be a better model. If someone has an idea for a potentially better model, you don't need to write up a draft -- you can just write up a clear explanation that we can all review and discuss. </div><div><br></div><div>I plan on writing up the other options we looked at for sending a large response so that we can have a discussion on that topic. I also plan on writing a PoC using SSE and will share that here.</div><div><br></div><div>/Dick & Karl</div></div>
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