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<span style="color: black;"> Aaron Parecki</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Andy Barlow</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Bjorn Hjelm</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Brian Campbell</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Dick Hardt</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Filip Skokan</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> John Melati</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Lukasz Jaromin</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Karl McGuinness</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Michael Jones</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Niels van Dijk</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;">Notes:</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> SUNET OpenID Federation Interop Event: Niels, John, and Lukasz to define the initial use cases for testing in the interoperability event.</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> Sign up in the
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYl-wdzgyol9u3ho342GZhSsg0hhqqneJHlMXWJSIw0/edit?gid=25633585#gid=25633585" target="_blank" id="OWA3646eb67-fc8a-568f-bd66-ac2468cca9bd" class="OWAAutoLink" title="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zYl-wdzgyol9u3ho342GZhSsg0hhqqneJHlMXWJSIw0/edit?gid=25633585#gid=25633585" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="1" style="margin: 0px;">
attendee spreadsheet</a>.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> OpenID Provider Commands Contribution:</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Karl McGuinness: The specification aims to accommodate developers seeking a simpler infrastructure to implement. Many implementers are behind in adopting the latest standards.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Dick Hardt: ID Token issuance depends on the RP supporting the OP-required commands.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Karl McGuinness: SCIM makes sense when the entire internal infrastructure is in place. Managing the infrastructure can be overwhelming for smaller businesses and average administrators.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Niels van Dijk: Fully supports Karl’s statement. Managing roles and permissions is complex and a significant burden for developers. GDPR also presents a strong use case, as the specification enables active state updates,
such as verifying whether a user is still a student.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Brian Campbell: I believe we should not pursue this work, and I have not seen any objections to that. No feature request for this was made.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Dick Hardt: Niels has made a feature request.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Niels van Dijk: OP capabilities would be highly beneficial. RP capabilities would enhance them further, but at a minimum, OP capabilities should be included.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Aaron Parecki: We should be developer friendly. SCIM and Shared Signals are resource-intensive for companies to implement, which results in weaker security. Companies could onboard customers more easily without the burden
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<span style="color: black;"> Michael Jones</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> (as chair)</span><span style="color: black;">: W</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">e w</span><span style="color: black;">ill initiate a
</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">two-week </span><span style="color: black;">call for adoption to
</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">determine</span><span style="color: black;"> support
</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">for</span><span style="color: black;"> </span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">pursuing</span><span style="color: black;"> this work within the working group.</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;">(More conversation of the potential adoption occurred)</span></p>
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<span style="color: black;"> Michael Jones</span><span style="color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> (as chair)</span><span style="color: black;">: As background on the decision to issue a call for adoption, there’s a presumption in the OpenID processes that if there’s
a group of contributors interested in pursing a body of work, that they will be empowered to do it within the OpenID Foundation. For instance, per the IPR Process doc, the board intentionally *<b>does not</b>* have the power to stop new working groups with
sufficient support from proposers from being chartered; it can only do so if they determine that the work would constitute an IPR risk to the Foundation. Yes, this might result in work that not everyone adopts. But the alternative failure mode would be having
a small cabal of experts determining which work can and cannot proceed. Rather than do that, the process defers to the judgement of working groups for adoption decisions.</span></p>
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