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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A/B Connect Atlantic Call Meeting Notes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">9th January 2025<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Attendance:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike Jones</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Joseph Heenan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Stefan Santesson</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Dick Hardt</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Aaron Parecki</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Bjorn Hjelm</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Brian Campbell</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Filip Skokan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> George Fletcher</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Giuseppe De Marco</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Henna Kapur</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Lukasz Jaromin</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Marcus Almgren</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Matthew Micheaux</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Michael Fraser</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland Hedberg</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Tim Cappelli</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Vladimir Dzhuvinov</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Mike Jones proposed an agenda prior to the call: <a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/2025-January/010541.html">
https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/2025-January/010541.html</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Introductions were made</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Upcoming events</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - FIDO Member Plenary (Melbourne, Australia | 4th February -> 6th February)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://fidoalliance.org/event/fido-member-plenary-in-melbourne-australia/">
https://fidoalliance.org/event/fido-member-plenary-in-melbourne-australia/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - FIDO Alliance Seminar (Melbourne, Australia | 7th February)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://fidoalliance.org/event/fido-alliance-melbourne-seminar-2025/">
https://fidoalliance.org/event/fido-alliance-melbourne-seminar-2025/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - OAuth Security Workshop (Reykjavik, Iceland | 26th February -> 28th February)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025">
https://oauth.secworkshop.events/osw2025</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - IETF 122 (Bangkok, Thailand | 15th March -> 21st March)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://www.ietf.org/meeting/122/">
https://www.ietf.org/meeting/122/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - International Workshop on Trends in Digital Identity (Bologna, Italy | 3rd February)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://www.fbk.eu/it/event/30707/3rd-international-workshop-on-trends-in-digital-identity-tdi-2025/">
https://www.fbk.eu/it/event/30707/3rd-international-workshop-on-trends-in-digital-identity-tdi-2025/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- OpenID for Verifiable Presentations</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://openid.net/third-openid4vp-implementers-draft-approved/">
https://openid.net/third-openid4vp-implementers-draft-approved/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Third implementer's draft approved</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Active call for adoption by DCP WG</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Reminder over new working group call cadence</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Alternating Mondays for Pacific call @3pm PT</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Every Thursday for Atlantic call</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- OpenID Federation Certification</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Mike Jones proposed a new set of tests</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/2025-January/010538.html">
https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/2025-January/010538.html</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - new tests are primarily for automatic & explicit registration flows</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - three classes of tests</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - one to inspect a single specific entity</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - one to walk Federation graph and inspect an entire Federation</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Marcus Almgren noted this gets out of hand very quickly with huge amounts of conformance tool log data so mitigations have been made focusing on keeping the details for failures</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - one to inspect an entity within a Federation intended for test purposes</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Joseph Heenan noted that one of the identified test "classes" needs to be identified as bringing most value and subsequently focussed on</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Discussion was had over tests that test a whole Federation and how it can conceptually change the tests away from testing just what a specific invoker of a test may control</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Marcus Almgren noted that some Federation deployments encountered have slightly different implementations with their own extensions to the core specification</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Dick Hardt proposed some new work</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Draft from Dick Hardt and Karl McGuinness</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - OpenID Provider Commands</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Mike Jones provided guidance on how to get a draft adopted by a working group and advised authors to contribute the text to the mailing list for working group review</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- George Fletcher Native SSO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/744">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/744</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - current draft updated to address all open issues</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - once current work merged, draft 07 to be published</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - larger discussion required on next moves for the work</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Vladimir Dzhuvinov review requested as an implementor</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Mike Jones and Bjorn Hjelm committed to reviews</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Federation Core</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://github.com/openid/federation/pull/171">
https://github.com/openid/federation/pull/171</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - clarifies logos for Trust Marks</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - further reviews requested from working group</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Stefan Santesson noted that one of the biggest challenges is selling the specification to new adopters</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - noted that OpenID Federation attempts todo too much at once and suggests that the specification should be split up with profiles for how this interacts with different protocols</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Mike Jones (minus chair hat) commented that the specification as-is doesn't require the implementation of the OpenID Connect portion to be implemented and the trust establishment & metadata resolution is
still implementable without</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Lukasz Jaromin voiced opinion on keeping the current document as-is due to late stage of the specification</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Vladimir Dzhuvinov </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - front of agenda next week due to time limitations</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - Vladimir Dzhuvinov in favour of Gabriel Zachmann metadata pr</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> - <a href="https://github.com/openid/federation/pull/112">
https://github.com/openid/federation/pull/112</a></p>
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