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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I read Vittorio’s description and I came up with the attached meme. Probably inaccurate but the resemblance in terminology cannot be ignored. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Vittorio Bertocci <vittorio.bertocci@okta.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 12, 2023 12:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Nikos Fotiou <fotiou@aueb.gr><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] SIOP and webauthn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Information cards were an interoperable format representing the ability of a user to obtain a certain set of claims form a given issuer. The self issued cards mentioned above were cards sourcing claims from the client itself rather than an external issuer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cardspace was the Windows client that was capable of working with information cards.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>HTH<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 13:59 Nikos Fotiou via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This message originated outside your organization.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for asking but is “information cards“ and cardspace the same thing? FWIW I found this episode of Identity Unlocked about cardspace very educative <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=300 style='width:225.0pt;background:#E9E9EB;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><img border=0 width=1024 height=512 style='width:10.6666in;height:5.3333in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D9547C.CDCA10B0"></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=300 style='width:225.0pt;background:#E9E9EB;background-color:rgba(233,233,235,1)'><tr><td style='padding:6.0pt 0cm 6.0pt 0cm'><div style='margin-left:12.0pt;margin-right:12.0pt;max-width:100%;overflow:hidden'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://identityunlocked.auth0.com/public/49/Identity%2C-Unlocked.--bed7fada/61103d3d" target="_blank"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>Windows CardSpace with Stuart Kwan</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://identityunlocked.auth0.com/public/49/Identity%2C-Unlocked.--bed7fada/61103d3d" target="_blank"><span style='color:#A2A2A9;text-decoration:none'>identityunlocked.auth0.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>11 Μαρ 2023, 10:26 μμ, ο χρήστης «Mike Jones via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>>» έγραψε:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>SIOP standardization was completed in 2014 <a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#SelfIssued" target="_blank">https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#SelfIssued</a>. (The ideas for it were partially based on self-issued Information Cards, which used a public/private keypair held in a wallet for authentication.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Goto via Openid-specs-ab<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 11, 2023 11:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Sam Goto <<a href="mailto:goto@google.com" target="_blank">goto@google.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] SIOP and webauthn<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't recall the timelines precisely, but didn't we develop WebAuthn before SIOP?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think i understand why SIOP was developed, if it was done after WebAuthn, because, IIRC, WebAuthn didn't have the cross platform syncing capabilities that it has today, but i do wonder where SIOP would fit today.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 9:41 AM Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Check out chapi<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>thx ..Tom (mobile)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 2:45 AM Nikos Fotiou via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi,<br><br>I have a question which is related to politics and standardization history.<br><br>I believe that SIOP (as defined in openid connect core) could have been used instead of WebAuthn. A combination of SIOP+ctap (rather than WebAuthn+ctap) would have more chances of getting adopted. So I was wondering how we came up with yet another API instead of adding support for SIOP to browsers. Did this ever occur as a possibility?<br><br>Best,<br>Nikos<br><br>--<br>Nikos Fotiou - <a href="https://www2.aueb.gr/users/fotiou/" target="_blank">https://www2.aueb.gr/users/fotiou/</a><br>Researcher - Mobile Multimedia Laboratory<br>Athens University of Economics and Business<br><a href="https://mm.aueb.gr" target="_blank">https://mm.aueb.gr</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Openid-specs-ab mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab" target="_blank">https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Openid-specs-ab mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab" target="_blank">https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Openid-specs-ab mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab" target="_blank">https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Openid-specs-ab mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab" target="_blank">https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ab</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>