<div dir="ltr"><h1 class="gmail-title" style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-size:24px;line-height:1.25;letter-spacing:-0.01em;font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">OpenID AB/Connect WG Meeting Notes (2022-06-27)</h1><ul class="gmail-simple" style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Date & Time: 2022-06-27 14:00 UTC</li><li style="margin:0px">Location: <a class="gmail-reference external" href="https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/181372694" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/181372694</a></li></ul><div class="gmail-contents gmail-topic" id="gmail-rst-header-agenda" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><p class="gmail-topic-title gmail-first" style="margin:0px;padding:0px">Agenda</p><ul class="gmail-auto-toc gmail-simple" style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-roll-call" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">1.   Roll Call</a></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-adoption-of-agenda-nat" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">2.   Adoption of Agenda (Nat)</a></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-events-and-liaisons" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.   Events and Liaisons</a><ul class="gmail-auto-toc" style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-identiverse-vittorio" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.1.   Identiverse (Vittorio)</a></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-new-authorizations-policy-wg-vittorio" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.2.   New Authorizations Policy WG (Vittorio)</a></li></ul></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-prs" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">4.   PRs</a><ul class="gmail-auto-toc" style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-openid4vci-editorial-based-on-mark-haine-feedback" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">4.1.   224 [OpenID4VCI] editorial based on Mark Haine feedback</a></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-openid-connect-prompt-create-1-0-xml-fix-typo" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">4.2.   164 openid-connect-prompt-create-1_0.xml fix typo</a></li></ul></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-issues" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">5.   Issues</a><ul class="gmail-auto-toc" style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-siopv2-cnf-instead-of-sub-jwk-kristina" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">5.1.   #1540: [siopv2] <cite>cnf</cite> instead of <cite>sub_jwk</cite>? (Kristina)</a></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-obtaining-metadata-just-in-time-of-the-request-is-not-registration-kristina-tobias" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">5.2.   １５３２ Obtaining metadata just-in-time of the Request is not <cite>registration</cite>? (Kristina/Tobias)</a></li></ul></li><li style="margin:0px"><a class="gmail-reference gmail-internal" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-aob" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">6.   AOB</a></li></ul></div><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px">The meeting was called to order at 14:05 UTC.</p><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-roll-call" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><h2 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:20px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:-0.008em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id1" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">1.   Roll Call</a></h2><ul class="gmail-simple" style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Attending: Dima, Kristina Yasuda, Edmund Jay, Vittorio, Anthony Nadalin, Karthik Sivasamy (MATTR), Tobias Looker, Nat Sakimura (chair)</li><li style="margin:0px">Regret: John Bradley (Chilean Holiday), Mike Jones (Vacation)</li><li style="margin:0px">Guest: none</li></ul></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-adoption-of-agenda-nat" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><h2 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:20px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:-0.008em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id2" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">2.   Adoption of Agenda (Nat)</a></h2><ul class="gmail-simple" style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Standard agenda was adopted.</li></ul></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-events-and-liaisons" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><h2 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:20px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:-0.008em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id3" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.   Events and Liaisons</a></h2><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-identiverse-vittorio" style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><h3 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:18px;line-height:1.38889;letter-spacing:-0.006em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id4" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.1.   Identiverse (Vittorio)</a></h3><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">Vittorio reported that the event featured a lot of OIDF sessions and was very well received.</p></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-new-authorizations-policy-wg-vittorio" style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><h3 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:18px;line-height:1.38889;letter-spacing:-0.006em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id5" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">3.2.   New Authorizations Policy WG (Vittorio)</a></h3><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">During Identiverse, many of the biggest companies in the field gathered and discussed the potential to create a new working group around authorization policy. It was a big topic at Identiverse as well as in EIC.</p><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">We have tried it many times before, but given there are 5 proprietary frameworks, it may be a good time to start the standardization work.</p><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">Nancy from CISCO and Vittorio from Auth0 will work on creating a charter.</p></div></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-prs" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Ne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t told that just reading the title, he felt that <cite>cnf</cite> is the way to go, but after reading DW's comment, he is not so sure now and needs to think a bit.</p></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-obtaining-metadata-just-in-time-of-the-request-is-not-registration-kristina-tobias" style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><h3 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:18px;line-height:1.38889;letter-spacing:-0.006em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id11" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">5.2.   #1532: Obtaining metadata just-in-time of the Request is not <cite>registration</cite>? (Kristina/Tobias)</a></h3><ul class="gmail-simple" style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 40px"><li style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><a class="gmail-ap-connect-link" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1532/obtaining-metadata-just-in-time-of-the" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">#1532</a> <a class="gmail-reference external" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1532/" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1532/</a></li></ul><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">Some information like policy_url will be and should be persisted at the Wallet as AS, so there indeed is registration happening.</p><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a table that compares what is happening during “Just-in-time registration” and “(normal) registration” and finds out if they are similar enough.</p></div></div><div class="gmail-section" id="gmail-rst-header-aob" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(23,43,77);font-family:-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14px"><h2 style="margin:20px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-weight:400;font-size:20px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:-0.008em;font-style:inherit"><a class="gmail-toc-backref" href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/wiki/Connect_Meeting_Notes_2022-06-27_Pacific#rst-header-id12" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(0,82,204);text-decoration-line:none">6.   AOB</a></h2><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">None.</p><p style="margin:12px 0px 0px;padding:0px">The meeting was adjourned at 15:02 UTC</p></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Nat Sakimura (=nat)<div>Chairman, AB/Connect WG, OpenID Foundation<br><a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>@_nat_en</div></div></div>