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<p class="MsoNormal">SIOP Special Topic Call Notes 9-Jun-22<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(Thank you for taking notes, Mike!)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kristina Yasuda<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jo Vercammen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Petteri Stenius<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Torsten Lodderstedt<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kenichi Nakamura<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David Chadwick<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David Waite<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph Heenan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Torsten gave a debrief on a presentation to the eIDAS expert group<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Gail and Torsten presented the work on the foundation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Described spec and ecosystem work around the world<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Discussed making the EU wallet happen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mapping between EU framework and OpenID for VCs work<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> There were 74 in attendance, including representatives for all 26 EU member states<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The presentation was very well received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten thinks there's a good chance of the EU including OpenID4VCs in eIDAS2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten wants to study the architecture reference framework w.r.t. "Level of Assurance High"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We need to understand the question of how OpenID can satisfy this<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Kenichi said that a hardware-bound key is needed for Level of Assurance High<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David Chadwick said that you also need a qualified certificate<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Kristina asked for an issue to be filed on this topic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kristina discussed the mDL ISO WG meeting last week<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> They're working on mDL over the Internet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> OIDF members have an opportunity to join ISO mDL WGs leveraging our liaison relationship
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">Have requested adding Tobias and Vittorio to the ISO WG<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">If interested, please reach out to Kristina<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Open Pull Requests<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> PR #157: Building Trust between Wallet and Issuer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten wants to merge this one - it has two approvals<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We discussed the use of client authentication versus key attestation and app attestation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten thinks that relying on attestations violates boundaries between componenets<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> He thinks that using them internally is good<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> He wants us to use things that are operating system independent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten added sequence diagrams to the PR<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David Chadwick said that FIDO supports attestations and asked if that is a conflict<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten said that some things are possible but not necessarily profitable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten said that FIDO attestations contain information that you would not want to reveal to the verifier, such as the audience<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We merged the PR<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(Mike's gotomeeting client froze at this point and there's about a 10-minute gap in the notes here- Kristina filled in)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> PR #189: [OpenID4VCI] #1501 encoding of the issued vc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Kristina asked if we can merge this one after she incorporates Mike’s editorial comments<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> WG agreed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Torsten approved during the call<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> After the call, Kristina made the changes, including Alen’s request to separate JWS Compact Serialization and JSON Serialization<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Planning to merge once Alen/Mike confirms the changes meet their requests/comments<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> PR #196: OpenID4VPs - adapt examples to recent changes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David Chadwick suggested modifying a JWT-VC example<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We discussed the VC specs's use of "nbf" versus "iat"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Some JWT-VC examples in vc-data-model specification are incorrect<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> After the SIOP call, Kristina updated the PR
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 8, 2022 6:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> SIOP call agenda (2022-June-9) - Atlantic call @ 7AM PST<o:p></o:p></p>
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