<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">As I alluded to on the call, the value that end-users in the consumer space see from OpenID Connect is that it easily lets them request an introduction to a new party. for a new identity relationship (or if you prefer, a connection). <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The problem with self-hosted and self-issued was that there was no reputational anchor for such an introduction, e.g. “you don’t know me, but I’d like to introduce you to Bob”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Aggregation/presentation of third party claimsets and other kinds of licenses/credentials gives us a solution that allows new relationships to be established without an active third party introduction.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-DW<div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 19, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Mike Jones via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Nat,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Under what conditions are you viewing OpenID Connect as being User-Centric in practice? That’s a serious question.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">OpenID Connect can certainly be used in a User-Centric manner if the person chooses to host an OP at their own Web site or if they use a Self-Issued OP. Unfortunately, most RPs have made choices (fixed NASCAR lists) that preclude these User-Centric features enabled by the protocol to be used by people in practice.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m as much of a fan of OpenID Connect as the next person (maybe more so<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">😊</span>). But overselling it as being User-Centric when on the whole, it hasn’t been used or deployed in a User-Centric fashion does no one any favors.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’re working on creating true, usable, practical User-Centric identity at present. Let’s not sell that effort short trying to defend the case that OpenID Connect has been used in a User-Centric manner, when that’s simply not the case.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Sincerely,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> -- Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nat Sakimura via Openid-specs-ab<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 19, 2022 8:15 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>nat <<a href="mailto:nat@nat.consulting" class="">nat@nat.consulting</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Replacement to "User-Centric Identity" complete + another terminology topic: alternative to a "credential"?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I prefer User-Controlled or User-Driven over User-Centric as <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1) it will not have negative connotations against our existing standards, which have always been User-Centric; and<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2) it conveys the active feeling rather than a static one like "user is at the centre". <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There is a merit and demerit for "Controlled" and "Driven". <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">"Control" does have legal connotations as in data controller while "Driven" is free from that. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I kind of like "Driven" better as <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1) users usually do not want to control themselves; and <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2) "drivers" still get consumer protection, <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">but I do understand the merit of being able to directly relate to "controller, processor, third-party" categorization. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best, <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nat sakimura <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2022<span style="font-family: "MS Gothic";" class="">年</span>4<span style="font-family: "MS Gothic";" class="">月</span>20<span style="font-family: "MS Gothic";" class="">日</span>(<span style="font-family: "MS Gothic";" class="">水</span>) 11:00 nadalin--- via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>>:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I would prefer User Driven but I’m ok with User Centric, need to stay away from decentralized as that is a bag of worms. While I don’t like SSI for the same reasons that decentralized is a broken concept so is SSI.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 19, 2022 1:21 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Chadwick <<a href="mailto:d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Replacement to "User-Centric Identity" complete + another terminology topic: alternative to a "credential"?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="">Kristina, thanks for re-writing the Introduction.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">My personal opinion is that "User Controlled" is a better term than "User-Centric". The two letter acronym is still the same (IC), but if you replace user-centric with user controlled in your introduction, I think it reads better,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Kind regards<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">David<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 19/04/2022 09:05, Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also as promised, I did write up an introduction that more clearly positions the thinking of the WG around why “User-Centric” and not another term. The language definitely needs tweaking, but would appreciate the feedback if people agree with the direction (especially, Nat, John, Mike, Vittorio, Tobias, DW, and the small group of editors<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: "Segoe UI Emoji", sans-serif;" class="">😊</span>)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We all know how much the industry is used to the terms “SSI” and “Decentralized Identity” so if we are making a conscious decision to use another term even when meaning something quite similar (especially to the decision-making folks), it has to be crystal clear why, hence quite straightforward language below:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Introduction</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">OpenID Connect, a protocol that has enabled deployment of federated Identity at scale, was built with User-Centricity in mind. The protocol flow is designed to provide Identity Providers a capability to directly talk to the End-User to obtain consent before releasing claims about that End-User to the Relying Party. The protocol also enables the End-Users to run their own Identity Providers instead of using third party provided ones.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Now, the User-Centricity is evolving to the next level, where the End-Users retain full control over the key decisions when receiving identity information from the Credentials Issuers, and when presenting those credentials to the Verifiers. The End-Users can now directly receive their identity information as credentials from the Issuers and present those credentials to the Verifiers without Verifiers obtaining those user claims from the Issuer. This is an obvious evolution from a federated Identity protocol flow where after receiving the End-User’s consent, the Identity Provider directly provides the Verifier with the identity information about the End-User.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">When describing the concept of putting the End-User in control of their identity, the readers might be more familiar with the terminology Self-Sovereign Identity or Decentralized Identity. This whitepaper could have used those terms, too. However, after numerous long discussions, Connect WG in OpenID Foundation has decided to use a term User-Centric Identity to describe both a vision and an architecture of this new, emerging approach to the identity management.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Connect WG could not reach consensus to use the term Self-Sovereign Identity because Self-Sovereignty implies the End-User’s autonomy and freedom from the Issuers and the Verifiers, which is not the case in real-life use-cases. Even if the Verifier has obtained the claims directly from the End-User, it is up to the Verifier to decide whether to accept those credentials and provide the service to the End-User. Regardless of where the End-Use is planning to use a credential, it is up to the Issuer to decide whether to issue credential to the End-User in the first place. Even after the issuance, in most cases, the Issuer retains the right to revoke and invalidate the credential.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Connect WG also could not reach consensus to use the term Decentralized Identity because decentralized implementation techniques have their role to play, but they are neither necessary nor sufficient to achieve user centric identity. For the End-Users to directly receive identity credentials from the Issuers and directly present them to the Verifiers, user identifiers other than Decentralized Identifier (DIDs) can be used, meaning that Distributed Ledger Technology or Blockchain is not required and data models other than W3C Verifiable Credentials can be used.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Therefore, the goal of this whitepaper is to first and foremost to inform the audience about the work on the OpenID for User-Centric Identity (OpenID4UCI) specification family and help position it in the broader landscape of Self-Sovereign Identity and Decentralized Identity. The work is being conducted in the OpenID Foundation, in liaison with the Decentralized Identity Foundation (DIF). .<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The whitepaper targets decision-makers, architects and implementers interested in the concepts, use-cases and architecture where the End-User directly receives identity credentials from the Issuer and directly presents them to the Verifier, a concept that will be referred to as “User-Centric Identity” in this whitepaper.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kristina<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Openid-specs-ab<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, April 18, 2022 6:08 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kristina Yasuda<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Openid-specs-ab] Replacement to "User-Centric Identity" complete + another terminology topic: alternative to a "credential"?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi, thanks a lot for a productive conversation regarding the terminology in the “OpenID for User-Centric Identity (preliminary naming)”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1H556GIM_xD1yKl7rw1seq4bu83movFCkU8fQ7T8b1dI%2Fedit&data=05%7C01%7CKristina.Yasuda%40microsoft.com%7C8fb4bcc61b63463b182b08da21a106ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637859273185651256%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=yX9Q7MJ%2B%2FB2PMnYUBNMrXfj5vrYAsrFeNyUCkH2JaaQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">whitepaper</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>– the details of the conversation will be in the notes that will be sent out.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As agreed, I replaced all the references to the “Decentralized Identity” to “User-Centric Identity” (Thanks Mike for making the suggestions). As agreed, if you come up with a better term than “User-Centric”, please bring it up. We are looking for “a generic property that transcend the topology we are working with at this point in time (I really like how Vittorio has put it!)” that describes “an approach to the identity management where the End-User retains full control over from which Credential Issuer to obtain what credential, and when to disclose which credential to which Verifier (again, paraphrasing Vittorio)”. (and now I am not a big fan of an acronym OpenID4UCI, so acronym suggestions welcome too..)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Another terminology topic I wanted to bring up is inspired by Pieter’s comment on the definition of “Credential”: “It was interesting to see terminology in the EU Digital Wallet architecture like "Electronic Attribute Attestation" (EAA) that may provide alternatives to the heavily overloaded "credential". Not sure it is the right time to adopt it, but may be a good way to disambiguate terms like credential (and align with frameworks emerging elsewhere).”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree with Pieter both in that EAA might be an alternative, and in that maybe this is whitepaper V2 issue… Some food for thought.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kristina<o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><pre style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">_______________________________________________<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in; 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