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<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"># Attendees<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Karthik<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Vittorio<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Nat Sakimura<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">John Bradley<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tom Jones<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tobias Looker<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"># Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">- DIF dinner pre-iiw<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">- Logout issues<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">- SIOP Whitepaper<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">- SIOP PR's<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"># DIF dinner pre-iiw<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: DIF (Decentralised Identity Foundation) has kindly invited OIDF members to a dinner on Monday 25th from 6pm @ Craft House Sunnyvale. It's a great opportunity to catch up and discuss a lot of current topics and work items prior to the IIW kick off on Tuesday. DIF and OIDF has a liaison relationship and we have made some amazing progress together on SIOP :D<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">The venue is :<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Craft House Sunnyvale<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">295 E. Washington Avenue, Sunnyvale<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"># Logout issues<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Discussed the following issues<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=Logout" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=Logout</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: I have raised PR's that I believe address solved all of these, however I’m still seeking reviews and approvals, unless people would like to discuss each individually, I would propose we merge them as they are all straight forward.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: Can we come back to these at the end of the call to discuss some more?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: Yes<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: I will note that once we have addressed these PRs and issues we will have no open issues to address and therefore can transition this spec to final status of standardisation. I would propose we have a customary period of one week review prior to this final change<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Vittorio: Although I understand there is a good feeling of closure with regards to this work it feels a bit empty to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">ratify it. In particular I was unable to find evidence of the session management one being used in production, therefore I wonder if there is any chance we can try again to find again some?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Nat: I understand front channel logout is used, however session management is not?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: *Listed some of the implementations certified that support it and including Microsoft AAD, 6-7 OPs and 2 RPs*<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Vittorio: Thats a good point, if we have implementations then that suffices to me as a reason to finish the standardisation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: Do people agree we should have a 1 week call for feedback on closing this out? Starting from today? I’m willing to make this two weeks<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Nat: Yes I believe it should be two<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: Ok let’s work with a 2 week window<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"># Discussed the whitepaper<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H556GIM_xD1yKl7rw1seq4bu83movFCkU8fQ7T8b1dI/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H556GIM_xD1yKl7rw1seq4bu83movFCkU8fQ7T8b1dI/edit</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: *Introduced the whitepaper and its purpose to clarify some mis-understandings around some of the work we are doing with SIOP* "I would encourage everyone to read through"<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tony: Is this supposed to cover the wallet cases?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: what do you mean?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tony: Will it cover its usage as wallets?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: How are you defining the term wallet?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tony: I think this terminology needs to be clarified<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: What I would like to discuss is terminology in this group<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: SSI and Decentralized Identity are loaded terms, others are suggesting self-managed or user-centric identity, can we get a common term agreed here<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Nat: Traditional OpenID Connect is already user-centric, I wanted to ask Tony about his objections to the usage of the term wallet <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: responding to Nat's comment about OpenID Connect, there are certainly aspects of the core protocol however there<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">are also aspects that do not, such as the fact that most identities are owned by their provider, one of the things that<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina asked me to do is to help provide definitions in the terminology section. Decentralized I think is the wrong term,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">the term user-managed identity doesn't have the same resonance. User-centric feels to fit more with the industry.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Nat: I’m fine with replacing decentralized, I think it is important to separate the deployment from what the protocol allows. I want to avoid OpenID Connect core being positioned as not being user centric.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: I think that is fine and we should also seek to clarify what patterns are user centric after supplying a definition.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tony: User-centric is a name that has been used and abused over the years, I do believe using the term "user-centric" identity may be used as an argument against the technology.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: is there an alternative Tony you would suggest?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Vittorio: On the user-centric, I’m a fan although I agree it is old fashion. Although I agree with what Nat says about how the core protocol is user-centric. In general I think we might get pushed back but we can manage it. I think the paper is a great thing that is sorely needed but needs some iterations. One is the definitions we are making and the paper is more focused on the how rather than the problem space. The current paper falls into one trap that most content falls into, describes this thing but fails to describe a relationship with the old/existing stuff. For example provider tracking<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">which is regarded as bad in some cases is also an important feature in some situations such as federations therefore I think the paper should acknowledge that.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: Thanks Vittorio if you could make suggested changes to the draft I think that would be great<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Tony: I think the term wallet should be used more<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: I’m going to step back and say I think this whitepaper is a huge opportunity for us, if we do a good job this will help to set the thought leadership and help to shape the ecosystem around verifiable credentials SSI and wallets<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">DW: *provided some great commentary around refining what the purpose of the terminology we use and who it ultimately serves*<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: Reading some of the comments in the chat, user-management has a negative perception, many users don’t want to "manage"<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">anything related to identity.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Kristina: What I'm hearing is we should accept user-centric for now and add a clarifying paragraph for how it relates to other terms<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">John Bradley: expanding on mikes point, user-centric still feels to imply to me "management" which users don’t want.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: I agree, however I think user-centric identity is the best we have at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1D1C1D">Mike: wearing my chair hat, Kristina has requested half of the up and coming Atlantic connect call to SIOP issues and PRs so we can get these in before IIW and I support this.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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