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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/03/2022 12:44,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net">nadalin@prodigy.net</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you mandate this eliminates many use
cases, this is a very bad choice to mandate.</p>
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<p>I dont see why. There is no ability for the RP to chose the
browser in standard OIDC, so why should the RP chose the wallet in
OIDC4VPs? Its illogical.</p>
<p>The RP chooses the OP in standard OIDC, and chooses the VC
Issuers in OIDC4VPs. In other words the RP decides who is the TTP.
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<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>David</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net"><openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kristina Yasuda
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com"><Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com></a>; Artifact
Binding/Connect Working Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> David Chadwick
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info"><d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] [Please be careful
with the time of the call] SIOP call agenda (2022-Mar-24)
- Atlantic call @ 8AM PST/4PM CET<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/03/2022 09:20, Kristina Yasuda
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I will add this to the agenda.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, I will be timeboxing the topic
in the interest of making progress on the specifications’
texts – we have a lot of PRs/issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would note that we have already spent a
lot of time discussing NASCAR problem last year (see Issue
on SIOP Chooser), and I see number of wallets topic is more
of a “market force” issue rather technical specification –
we cannot control whether an RP supports one or 100 of
wallets in a technical specification.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Surely we could control this if we mandate only one
wallet-independent way of transferring the RP's request
(including presentation definition) from the SIOP to the
wallet (e.g. using openid:// or something else), which forces
the SIOP to ask the user which wallet to use to fulfil the
request. After all, the PD is meant to tell the wallet which
VCs are required and the user knows which VCs are in which
wallet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kristina <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Cc:</b> David Chadwick <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] [Please be careful
with the time of the call] SIOP call agenda
(2022-Mar-24) - Atlantic call @ 8AM PST/4PM CET<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Kristina<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if you could add the following
topic to the agenda please, since is has been a hot topic
on the W3C CCG list this last week:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How to address the NASCAR problem and
the centralising effect that RPs might have to try to
enforce the user to use a limited number of wallets.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/03/2022 01:30, Kristina Yasuda
via Openid-specs-ab wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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