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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Big difference between a browser and a wallet, its very logical not to mandate, your implementation can mandate but that is your choice not a standards choice. So against this notion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> David Chadwick <d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2022 6:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> nadalin@prodigy.net; 'Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group' <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net>; 'Kristina Yasuda' <Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] [Please be careful with the time of the call] SIOP call agenda (2022-Mar-24) - Atlantic call @ 8AM PST/4PM CET<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/03/2022 12:44, <a href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net">nadalin@prodigy.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>If you mandate this eliminates many use cases, this is a very bad choice to mandate.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>I dont see why. There is no ability for the RP to chose the browser in standard OIDC, so why should the RP chose the wallet in OIDC4VPs? Its illogical.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The RP chooses the OP in standard OIDC, and chooses the VC Issuers in OIDC4VPs. In other words the RP decides who is the TTP. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p><p>David<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net"><openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Kristina Yasuda <a href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com"><Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com></a>; Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net></a><br><b>Cc:</b> David Chadwick <a href="mailto:d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info"><d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] [Please be careful with the time of the call] SIOP call agenda (2022-Mar-24) - Atlantic call @ 8AM PST/4PM CET<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/03/2022 09:20, Kristina Yasuda wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I will add this to the agenda.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>However, I will be timeboxing the topic in the interest of making progress on the specifications’ texts – we have a lot of PRs/issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would note that we have already spent a lot of time discussing NASCAR problem last year (see Issue on SIOP Chooser), and I see number of wallets topic is more of a “market force” issue rather technical specification – we cannot control whether an RP supports one or 100 of wallets in a technical specification.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>Surely we could control this if we mandate only one wallet-independent way of transferring the RP's request (including presentation definition) from the SIOP to the wallet (e.g. using openid:// or something else), which forces the SIOP to ask the user which wallet to use to fulfil the request. After all, the PD is meant to tell the wallet which VCs are required and the user knows which VCs are in which wallet.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p><p>David<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kristina <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net"><openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> David Chadwick <a href="mailto:d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info"><d.w.chadwick@verifiablecredentials.info></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] [Please be careful with the time of the call] SIOP call agenda (2022-Mar-24) - Atlantic call @ 8AM PST/4PM CET<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Kristina<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I wonder if you could add the following topic to the agenda please, since is has been a hot topic on the W3C CCG list this last week:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How to address the NASCAR problem and the centralising effect that RPs might have to try to enforce the user to use a limited number of wallets.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24/03/2022 01:30, Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><<US moved to the summer time, the call is 4PM CET, 8AM PST, 12AM JST>></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi All</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Below is a proposed agenda for the <span class=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxmarkuclqdxk1g>SIOP</span> call.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> 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class=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxmarka6v39w0tx>Agenda</span> bashing/adoption</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>- Events/External orgs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>- PRs </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbitbucket.org%2Fopenid%2Fconnect%2Fpull-requests%2F&data=04%7C01%7CKristina.Yasuda%40microsoft.com%7Cbc2fe47fd9364955b28b08da0d75afab%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637837097119568421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xEKQXkNU3GPdWRKUj6kVAZRshfD6hOnygD3YqKX6%2BcA%3D&reserved=0"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Discuss <b>- please review </b>(max 15min)<o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #138 – oidc4vci: pre-authorized code<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1'>discuss<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=2 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #136 – oidc4vci: clarify holder binding; Issue #1453, #1452<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=2 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1'>Waiting for the examples from Tobias, David C.<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:2.5in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #137 – oidc4vci: mandatory claims<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=3 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:3.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1'>Needs more discussion<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=4 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #140 – oidc4vci: user consent<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=4 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1'>Discuss, might decline<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=5 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #142 oidc4vp: example with anoncreds<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=6 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-right:3.0in;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'>PR #127 siopv2 – jwk uri<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- Issues <a 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