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<p class="MsoNormal">Spec Call Notes 27-Jan-22<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">John Bradley<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Giuseppe De Marco<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph Heenan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Filip Skokan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brian Campbell<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thomas Bellebaum<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bjorn Hjelm<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David Chadwick<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kristina Yasuda<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Federation Spec Discussions<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland discussed the state of the Federation spec<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> He talked about Tom Jones not liking our use of the term Trust Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland asked if we wanted to rename Trust Marks to Compliance Marks as a compromise<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that what we're calling Trust Marks matches most people's understanding of what a Trust Mark is<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Our Trust Marks are signed JSON documents. Roland said that Tom thinks they should just be URLs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John doesn't think that Trust Marks being signed JSON would stop the US healthcare system from using them<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> If they want to just use a URL, they can simply pull the URL out of the JSON object<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike pointed out that Tom isn't on the call and we're already discussing this in the issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Giuseppe said that he'd like the decisions to be made soon so the spec is stable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We decided on the call not to change the name - see issue #1394<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Federation Issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=Federation">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=Federation</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> #1368: [federation_api] fetch entity statement - issuer paramenter is really required?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland said that this is about leaving an issuer out of the request - not a response<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that the subject you're asking about is always the end entity<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The party that's proxying the request shouldn't be called the issuer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David said that in the TRAIN model, this is called the proxy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike said it seems like we don't need this request parameter and we shouldn't call it the issuer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said to call it the "resolver"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David said that it's important that it be signed by the resolver or the subject<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said it's good to say who's asking for debugging purposes, even if that information isn't secured<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland said that the requester should be in the audience<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland agreed to make these changes. After that, we should re-review the descriptions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Federation PRs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> PR #111: Evaluate Entity Statement for any subject<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland said that there is a "list" operation that lists subordinate entities<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland said that the subject parameter is the entity we're asking about<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> That answers Mike's question about how you know what the response is about<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John asked if we need an on-behalf-of in some cases because the entity isn't the resolver<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Where in the response is the subject of the query?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Roland said that this is the subject claim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that he would call this the entity<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> This is part of the description to be changed per the discussion of #1368<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Open Issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> #1395 usage of id_token_hint in OIDC.Core<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that the wielder would need some kind of proof-of-possession mechanism<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John asked whether this should even be called an ID Token<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Brian said that this would be a misuse, requiring ignoring RFC-level REQUIRED security validation actions<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> He thought that having a different token intended for this purpose would be far better<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> David said that the thing we're talking about feels more like a Verifiable Credential<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Kristina said that there are far more issuers of ID Tokens than VCs at this point<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that what you want is some kind of federated access token - not an ID Token<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The claims needed can be in the access token<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Outstanding Implementer's Draft Approval Votes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/261">
https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/261</a> - prompt=create<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/266">
https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/266</a> - SIOPv2 and OIDC4VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Please participate!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Next Call<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The next Connect call will be Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3pm Pacific Time<o:p></o:p></p>
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