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<li><span><span lang="EN-US" style=""></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We discussed impact of Mozilla's objections to W3C DID-CORE on SIOP/OIDC4VP work. Kristina said that there is
no impact because 1/ the direction we are taking with resolvable subject identifiers is general enough to allow non-DID methods for SIOP to prove control over the keys; 2/ Verifiable presentations do not require DIDs. Jeremie and Dmitri agreed.</span></li></ul>
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<li><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/50" id="LPlnk313262"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/50</span></a></li><ul>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Jeremie reported that based on feedback at the Connect WG call and Brian Campbell, the new direction is to redefine the core primitives from PAR as a response flow as a separate
specification instead of directly referencing PAR (</span><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9126" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9126</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">)</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">John and George agreed this makes sense. On the surface the same idea as PAR, but exactly the opposite.</span></li></ul>
<li><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/45" id="LPlnk386544"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/45</span></a><br>
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<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">We discussed the need for a vp_hash as a mechanism to prevent a mismatch attack when attacker knows the nonce and the audience values
</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">John said that VC replacement with a malicious VC that's bound to an ID Token that is authenticating a user could be a legitimate attack if done before the first response, noting
that is is hard but not an impossible attack</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">when multiple VPs are returned, vp_hash can be a delimited concatenation of multiple vp_hashes. </span></li></ul>
<li><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/44" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/pull-requests/44</span></a></li><ul>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">We discussed that extentions to userInfo endpoint will be needed if VPs were to be returned from userInfo endpoint with repeated requests</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">DW noted that crypto (usage of nonce) will be different because there's no request for presentation from the verifier as part of the userInfo endpoint. There are algorithms where
holder needs to supply nonce to be able to check if returned value is correct. George agreed</span></li><li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">John noted that access token is not sufficient to generate a new VP</span></li></ul>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">- Issues (</span><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=SIOP&component=Verifiable%20Presentation" id="LPlnk508431" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues?status=new&status=open&component=SIOP&component=Verifiable%20Presentation</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">)</span></div>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1208/siop-v2-dynamic-iss-claim-ref-required" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1208/siop-v2-dynamic-iss-claim-ref-required</span></a><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Kristina noted that iss=self-issued.me being the main mechanism to distinguish SIOP flow from other OpenID Connect flows, I believe we should keep this.</span><br>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1259/redirect_uri-claims_supported" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1259/redirect_uri-claims_supported</span></a><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It was suggested that it is ok to include redirect_uris in the registration block in the signed request when signing keys are pre-negotiated between RP and SIOP, and not obtained in
the same signed request and unless these signing keys are not overwritten. in other cases, redirect_uris should not be included in a registration block.</span><br>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1217/require-jar-in-siop-to-strongly-id-the" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1217/require-jar-in-siop-to-strongly-id-the</span></a><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">DW said we need to confirm with OpenID Federation authors why the request for automatic client registration needs to be unique/one time use. Mike and John recommended to ask Roland</span><br>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1332/is-sub_jwk-required-or-not-if-sub_type-is" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1332/is-sub_jwk-required-or-not-if-sub_type-is</span></a><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Editorial PR, assigned to Kristina</span><br>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1027/write-a-self-issued-idp-si-idp-best" id="LPlnk"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1027/write-a-self-issued-idp-si-idp-best</span></a><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Mike believes this has been overtaken by events</span></li><li style="margin:0mm; background-image:initial; background-position:initial; background-size:initial; background-repeat:initial; background-attachment:initial; background-origin:initial; background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">WG to ask Nat at the next Connect WG call</span></li></ul>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1196/siop-credential-wallet-as-a-pwa" id="LPlnk" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1196/siop-credential-wallet-as-a-pwa</span></a></li><ul>
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<span style="color: rgb(23, 43, 77); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dmitri said that the main obstacle in SIOP v1 for PWA is the usage of custom URL schema for invocation, because of the poor support of it by the browsers. John
suggested documenting that use-case with Federated Identity WG in W3C to get attention of the browsers. <a href="https://github.com/w3c/fedidcg" id="LPlnk">https://github.com/w3c/fedidcg</a></span></li><ul>
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<span style="color: rgb(23, 43, 77); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Reference: what Google is proposing for Identity mediated by the browser:</span><span style="color: rgb(23, 43, 77); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </span><a data-is-external-link="true" href="https://wicg.github.io/WebID/" rel="nofollow" style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 82, 204);"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">https://wicg.github.io/WebID/</span></a></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">John noted that PWAs might need some sort of authentication and encryption that overlaps with WebAuthn. Dmitri agreed that having WebAuthn support for PWAs is very much needed. </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Dmitri shared the difficulty to identify is the difficulty that Solid's use of OpenID run into - trying to go around by creating ephemeral key pairs in local storage and using them
as temporary RP ID, but it is a hack</span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">we also discussed caBLE </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">caBLE is a way to pair a phone with a browser so that PF authenticator on your phone can be used as a roaming authenticator with your browser. crypto in the introduction is done by
Bluetooth, but the actual communication is done over Websocket provided by the phone application.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">it is essentially a NW-based communication btw phone and the browser after a local Bluetooth pairing and exchange of crypto information<br>
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