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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not sure I follow this statement:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Since we no longer have agendas in advance, it is hard to know what will actually happen in any given session.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">since you replied to the agenda that was sent in advance of the call….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Are you requesting an agenda item for tomorrow?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Openid-specs-ab <openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net> on behalf of Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 13:24<br>
<b>To: </b>Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>thomasclinganjones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Agenda - OIDF Browser Interactions Special Topic Call - 6/2/21 19:05 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This federation work may be doing work useful to large companies that make billions of dollars on SSO, it is not addressing the core problem.
<b>We cannot transit a user from an RP to a user wallet and back again in a browser session.</b> There do seem to be a few participants that think the RPs are the key to success, but they act like user preference is not important. It is my opinion that the
success of OpenID Connect was primarily the ease of use. The user's liked it. It solved a problem for the users. It was easy for the users.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interestingly, the SIOP work group has wandered away from solving the core problem as well. The only guy that seems to be addressing the problem is DW in his three current issues. But I am afraid those will be lost in the noise. In any
case he is trying to fix a set of approved work items which are fundamentally broken in the user sense articulated above. I consider that to be an impossible task.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since we no longer have agendas in advance, it is hard to know what will actually happen in any given session. Perhaps we can break off a small group that addresses just the core problem?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black;background:#F2F2F2">Be the change you want to see in the world
</span>..tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:05 AM Tim Cappalli via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Here's the
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbitbucket.org%2Fopenid%2Fconnect%2Fwiki%2FBrowser%2520Interactions%2520Special%2520Topics%2520Call%2520-%252020210602&data=04%7C01%7Ctim.cappalli%40microsoft.com%7Ce4fc32bb30a5408ddece08d925222111%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637581650798766244%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FDg7SRiFExpUOHFXl95oq9WA9fsptf9grqVn1wuYets%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
agenda for tomorrow</a>. Please let me know if you'd like to add anything ahead of time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Intros, reintros, agenda bash</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Recap federation workshop
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Role of the browser (discussion)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* W3C Federated Identity WG discussion ([Charter work](<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fhlflanagan%2Ffedidcg&data=04%7C01%7Ctim.cappalli%40microsoft.com%7Ce4fc32bb30a5408ddece08d925222111%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637581650798766244%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=UauC%2BfZXQ1DL5y6iaE9yZil3UG4B6bt1XMymP2ocqzk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://github.com/hlflanagan/fedidcg</a>))</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Review Front-Channel Logout Use Case
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https://github.com/IDBrowserUseCases/docs/pull/23</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Topics for next call</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">* Open Discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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