<div dir="ltr">Thanks, Alen. <div><br></div><div>Yes, "credential" is another defined term in OIDC. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 3:26 AM Alen Horvat via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Below, I summarize definitions of "claim" from different sources (identity and/or authentication documents).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>>> NIST - Claim <a href="https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/claim" target="_blank">https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/claim</a><br><br>Definition(s):<br><br> A true-false statement about the limitations on the values of an unambiguously defined property called the claim’s property; and limitations on the uncertainty of the property’s values falling within these limitations during the claim’s duration of applicability under stated conditions.<br> <br>>> NIST - Claimant <a href="https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/claimant" target="_blank">https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/claimant</a><br>A party whose identity is to be verified using an authentication protocol.<br>A subject whose identity is to be verified using one or more authentication protocols.<br>The person who is asserting his or her identity<br><br><br>>> NIST - Credential <a href="https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/credential" target="_blank">https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/credential</a><br> 2. 2. Evidence attesting to one’s right to credit or authority.<br> 1. 1. Evidence or testimonials that support a claim of identity or assertion of an attribute and usually are intended to be used more than once.<br> <br>>> OIDC Core<br>Claim<br> Piece of information asserted about an Entity. <br>Credential<br> Data presented as evidence of the right to use an identity or other resources.<br><br>>> IdM Glossary of Terms: (<a href="https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/download/attachments/1540598/CMU-identity-glossary.pdf" target="_blank">https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/download/attachments/1540598/CMU-identity-glossary.pdf</a>)<br>Claim (Assertion) is a statement of the value of one or more identity attributes; e.g. if Ben is currently a<br>CIT freshman, the Identity Management system could create a credential containing the claim: “Ben’s<br>affiliation is student”.<br>Credential is an object that is verified when presented during an authentication transaction. Credentials<br>consist of one or two elements:<br>1. Identity Attributes (required): most often just a single identifier (e.g. username) associated with<br>the entity being authenticated. However, in many circumstances, other identity attributes may<br>be required (e.g. assertion of a right to use license for a particular resource)<br>2. Verifier (optional as part of the credential<br><br>>> <a href="https://www.gsma.com/identity/glossary" target="_blank">https://www.gsma.com/identity/glossary</a><br>A claim made by an actor stating its identity. Without validation, no assumptions can be made regarding the actor’s identity. An Identity Claim is usually made by a User towards a Service Provider.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> <a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-claims" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-claims</a></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><dl id="gmail-m_-8314220754776915775ydpe1348cb1terms"><dt><dfn id="gmail-m_-8314220754776915775ydpe1348cb1dfn-claims">claim</dfn></dt><dd>
An assertion made about a <a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-subjects" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subject</a>.
</dd><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div></dl></div><div dir="ltr">BR, Alen<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></div>
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On Monday, 10 May 2021, 19:55:18 CEST, David Chadwick via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:
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<div>I don't believe that your definition of claim matches the
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<p>But doesn't it match your (ie. OpenID's) definition of a claim?</p>
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right to something</span></span><span style="margin:0px;padding:10px 0px 0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;letter-spacing:0.2px;display:block"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:italic;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(48,51,54)">specifically</span> <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;letter-spacing:0.2px"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:bolder;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">: </span>a
title to a debt, privilege, or other thing in the
possession of another</span><span style="margin:0px;padding:5px 0px 0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;display:block;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(34,95,115)">The
bank has a <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:italic;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;letter-spacing:0.2px">claim</span> on
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assertion <u>open to challenge</u><span style="margin:0px;padding:5px 0px 0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;display:block;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(34,95,115)">a <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:italic;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;letter-spacing:0.2px">claim</span> of
authenticity</span><span style="margin:0px;padding:10px 0px 0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:normal;line-height:22px;vertical-align:baseline;display:block;letter-spacing:0.2px;color:rgb(34,95,115)">advertisers'
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exist in the W3C VC Data Model Recommendation, so we can
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<dl><dt><dfn id="gmail-m_-8314220754776915775yiv3824952764gmail-m_3369448315320180233dfn-claims">claim</dfn></dt><dd> An assertion made about a <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-subjects" target="_blank">subject</a>. </dd><dt><br clear="none">
</dt><dt><dfn id="gmail-m_-8314220754776915775yiv3824952764gmail-m_3369448315320180233dfn-credential">credential</dfn></dt><dd> A set of one or more <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-claims" target="_blank">claims</a> made
by an <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-data-model/#dfn-issuers" target="_blank">issuer</a>.</dd><dt>A <dfn id="gmail-m_-8314220754776915775yiv3824952764gmail-m_3369448315320180233dfn-verifiable-credentials">verifiable
credential</dfn> is a tamper-evident credential that
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<p>You will note that the W3C recommendation does not say
anything about what the assertion may be, but if you look
it up in a dictionary you will get something like</p>
<p><span>Assertion - a positive statement or declaration,
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<p><span>Please tell me what is unclear about the above</span></p>
<p><span>Kind regards</span></p>
<p><span>David</span></p>
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extremely rude and disrespectful of any sort of
meaningful conversation about the issues. If you have a
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rude and disrespectful tone by the same person:
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<div>"I want clarity of language. Right now we just
have a claim = some crap and credential = a pile
of crap."</div>
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2021 at 14:39, Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thank
you, Nat.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">As
promised, I wanted to outline the
relationship between "OpenID Connect for W3C
Verifiable Credential Objects" (OIDC4VCO)
draft and other existing drafts. (point 2 in
this issue) </span></div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">※
Note that there was a proposal to rename the
draft <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline"> "OpenID
Connect for W3C Verifiable Presentations",
but I will use OIDC4VCO<span> abbreviation
for now.</span></span></span><br clear="none">
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<ul><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Relationship
with <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">OpenID
Connect </span>Core: OIDC4VCO uses
mechanisms already defined in OIDC
Core, and does not introduce any
breaking changes.</span></span></li><li>Relationship with SIOP V2 draft: SIOP V2
draft will refer to the OIDC4VCO draft wrt
how W3C verifiable presentations (VPs) can
be transported using SIOP model, since
OIDC4VCO draft defines a generic way how
W3C VPs can be used with various OIDC
flows including SIOP V2.</li><li>Relationship with Claims Aggregation
draft (and Credential Provider draft once
contributed): these drafts will be used by
the OP to receive credentials from the
Claims Provider, so that the OP will be
able to present received credentials to
the RP using OIDC4VCO draft. These drafts
should be aligned as much as possible.</li><li>Relationship with DIF Presentation
Exchange (PE) draft: DIF PE draft could be
used as part of the request syntax in
OIDC4VCO draf, which can be discussed once
OIDC4VCO draft is adopted. DIF PE is a
query language that is protocol agnostic,
and it does not replace OIDC4VCO draft.</li></ul>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">This
is an initial summary and additional input
from the editors/working group is very
welcome.</span><br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">A
work item to enable transporting W3C VPs
using OpenID Connect, will most likely not
be successful outside OpenID Foundation AB/C
Working Group, because that is where the
collective OpenID Connect <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">
expertise resides. </span></span></div>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Best,</span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Kristina</span></span></div>
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<b>件名:</b> [Openid-specs-ab] Issue #1229:
Adoption of the "OpenID Connect for W3C
Verifiable Credential Objects"
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"OpenID Connect for W3C Verifiable
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SIOP SC recommended the adoption of
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Some concerns were expressed by a few WG
members. <br clear="none">
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This ticket is to give an opportunity
for those members to express their
concerns and proposers to reply to them.
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1. If the draft does not fall into the
scope of the WG. <br clear="none">
2. If the draft is overlapping with
existing drafts, the technical content
should be raised as an issue and
eventually result in PR rather than
starting a new draft. <br clear="none">
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1. NOTE: A non-overlapping portion
can be made as an independent document
so proposers should consider creating
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3. If there is a legal or reputational
risk for the OIDF in adopting the
document. \(The board may intervene on
this ground.\) <br clear="none">
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If the issues are only on the technical
nature of the proposed draft that does
not fall into the above criteria, then,
it should be dealt with during and after
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