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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><a href="https://openid.net/specs/oauth-v2-multiple-response-types-1_0.html">https://openid.net/specs/oauth-v2-multiple-response-types-1_0.html</a> and
<a href="https://openid.net/specs/oauth-v2-form-post-response-mode-1_0.html">https://openid.net/specs/oauth-v2-form-post-response-mode-1_0.html</a> were also thin specs doing very specific targeted things that were created by the OpenID Connect Working Group.
Even though small and targeted, they were vital to the interoperability of many OpenID Connect (and OAuth 2.0) use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>; oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Defining JWT Claims to represent W3C Verifiable Credentials objects<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is not an open I'd spec. It is a very thin wrapping around VCs. That's not what I call interoperability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thx ..Tom (mobile)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 8:55 PM Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">VCs would be encoded using the rules in the VC spec - either in JWT format or JSON-LD format. These encoded VCs could then be passed as parameters as JWT claims. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I
believe that people are using all four standard representations of Verifiable Credential objects (vp_jwt, vp_ld, vc_jwt, vc_ld) with JWTs (such as ID tokens) and sets of JSON claims (such as UserInfo Endpoint responses). To
<span style="background:white">promote interoperability, i</span>t seems better to have standard claims that allow people to use the representations they choose rather than to have everyone do the same thing slightly differently. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Kristina<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">差出人</span><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net" target="_blank">nadalin@prodigy.net</a> <<a href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net" target="_blank">nadalin@prodigy.net</a>><br>
</span><b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">送信日時</span><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> 2021</span><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">年</span><span style="color:black">4</span><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">月</span><span style="color:black">8</span><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">日</span><span style="color:black">
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</span><b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">宛先</span><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Kristina Yasuda <<a href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com</a>>; 'Artifact
Binding/Connect Working Group' <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>CC:</b> <a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a> <<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a>><br>
</span><b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">件名</span><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> RE: [Openid-specs-ab] Defining JWT Claims to represent W3C Verifiable Credentials objects</span>
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<p style="margin:0in">Not quite the case as there are specific rules for encoding and decoding JWT in the verifiable credential specification and how to process certain JWT claims iss, aud, etc. So I’m still confused what you are trying to accomplish.<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><b>From:</b> Kristina Yasuda <<a href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net" target="_blank">nadalin@prodigy.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Defining JWT Claims to represent W3C Verifiable Credentials objects<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">VC specification defined `vp`, `vc` claims, but they are defined only to include "tthose parts of the standard verifiable credentials and verifiable presentations where no explicit encoding rules
for JWT exist". Hence `vp`, `vc` claims are only a part of the the entire VP, VC. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">There is a need a define a standard way to return VPs using OpenID Connect, and the proposal is to use `vp_jwt`, `vp_ldp` claims that would include entire VP inside the ID token.
(VP in a JWT format inside `vp_jwt` would include `vp` claim) </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">Example can be found here: <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2FgrbDXDHqTE6lhu6fvVFIuA&data=04%7C01%7CKristina.Yasuda%40microsoft.com%7C56118996360b46782dff08d8fa32e797%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637534444171960134%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OFBWyI5KJsmUTir%2BlqdGR4R%2Fdbtsl6UTrL460CXDj2U%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">Examples
for the vp_jwt, vp_ldp proposal - HackMD</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Note that this proposal is intended to work not only with SIOP V2, but also if VPs are to be returned from the user_info endpoint for example.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">Best,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">Kristina</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">差出人</span></b><b><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>>
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">が</span><span style="color:black"> ANTHONY NADALIN via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>>
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</span><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">送信日時</span></b><b><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> 2021</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">年</span><span style="color:black">4</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">月</span><span style="color:black">8</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">日</span><span style="color:black">
10:09<br>
</span><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">宛先</span></b><b><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>CC:</b> Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:nadalin@prodigy.net" target="_blank">nadalin@prodigy.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a> <<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a>><br>
</span><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:SimSun;color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">件名</span></b><b><span style="color:black">:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Defining JWT Claims to represent W3C Verifiable Credentials
objects</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I don't quite understand this proposal as if you read the verifiable credential specification you will see a section called JWT encoding and JWT decoding based upon what Mike is
written I don't understand how you could abide by a fully compliant verifiable credential specification without encoding and decoding JWT's into verifiable credentials.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>> on behalf of Tom Jones via
Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:00:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Jones <<a href="mailto:thomasclinganjones@gmail.com" target="_blank">thomasclinganjones@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a> <<a href="mailto:oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz" target="_blank">oliver.terbu@mesh.xyz</a>><br>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">I have an alternate proposal. In my system the claim should have a name that represents what it is. For example the existing claims acr and amr should be enabled to carry a vc or vp as
its value. In this system the encoding of the value would carry the syntax of the claim, beit vc-sjon, vc-ld or whatever. The one proposal I did make was to use jose encoding. If we wanted to use this the jose header could contain the syntax of the contained
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">I think it is not helpful for the name of the claim to be just the syntax of the element.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">In our discussions over the past few months, it’s become clear that there are multiple use cases where different forms of W3C Verifiable Credential objects will be communicated as JWT claims
(or as UserInfo Endpoint claims). I had a useful conversation with Oliver Terbu and Kristina Yasuda this week during which we agreed that it would be useful to write a short, focused specification defining and registering JWT claims enabling standard representations
for this purpose. These claims could be used both by SIOP use cases and other use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">Bear in mind that the W3C Verifiable Credentials specification defines two representations of the objects that it defines – JWT and JSON-LD and it also orthogonally defines two kinds of
objects – Verifiable Credentials and Verifiable Presentations. Thus, there are actually four different data types that these use cases might want to utilize.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">I would therefore propose the following four claim definitions for these purposes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">vc_jwt</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">: A claim whose value is a W3C Verifiable Credential object using the JWT representation, which is a JSON string. The claim’s value
may also be an array of W3C Verifiable Credential objects using the JWT representation if the use case calls for multiple JWT VCs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">vp_jwt</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">: A claim whose value is a W3C Verifiable Presentation object using the JWT representation, which is a JSON string. The claim’s
value may also be an array of W3C Verifiable Presentation objects using the JWT representation if the use case calls for multiple JWT VPs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">vc_ld</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">: A claim whose value is a W3C Verifiable Credential object using the JSON-LD representation, which is a JSON object. The claim’s
value may also be an array of W3C Verifiable Credential objects using the JSON-LD representation if the use case calls for multiple JSON-LD VCs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">vp_ld</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">: A claim whose value is a W3C Verifiable Presentation object using the JSON-LD representation, which is a JSON object. The claim’s
value may also be an array of W3C Verifiable Presentation objects using the JSON-LD representation if the use case calls for multiple JSON-LD VPs.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun">Let’s discuss this proposal during the European-friendly Connect call ~13.5 hours from now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:SimSun"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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