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Not sure I understand how that disagrees with what I said.</div>
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>> <span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">The wallet and/or holder governs which claims are disclosed in the VP/VC.</span></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 8, 2021 13:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Cappalli <Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net <openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] user consent</font>
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<div dir="ltr">well that's definitely a point of major disagreement then. If the rp asks the wallet for some details in a pe, the wallet MUST NOT respond to the request without user consent.
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(242,242,242); color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9); font-size:14px; white-space:pre-wrap">Be the change you want to see in the world
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:43 AM Tim Cappalli <<a href="mailto:Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com">Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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The wallet and/or holder governs which claims are disclosed in the VP/VC. I don't see why any consent would apply at the ID token layer when carrying a VP.</div>
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<div id="x_gmail-m_-7274599062385067212divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>>
on behalf of Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Jones <<a href="mailto:thomasclinganjones@gmail.com" target="_blank">thomasclinganjones@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Openid-specs-ab] user consent</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Before we talk any more about opaque blobs being added to the id token, I would like to talk about user consent. What little i have heard from the PE group the RP gets to ask for whatever info he wants and consent magically happens at some other
level. Since the creds group of DIF is not discussing the problem I guess it must come up here. If the request/response of the VC/VP protocol is not known to the open id protocol, how can anybody know if the user has given informed consent to the release of
the claims? As far as I can tell DIF is punting the issue altogether. (That comes from Daniel @ MSFT)
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<div>First - in SIOP user explicit consent MUST be obtained.</div>
<div>Second - in SIOP the data request from the RP (claims) must be presented to the user in a form they can understand before the id token (etc.) is created.<br>
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<div>When we understand that we can talk about vc-xyz.</div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(242,242,242); color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9); font-size:14px; white-space:pre-wrap">Be the change you want to see in the world
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