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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Tom, having one working group document in a particular space is not a reason to not have another one – particularly if they describe distinct or complementary approaches. If there was a problem with that, we
wouldn’t have specs for Session Management, Front-Channel Logout, Back-Channel Logout, and RP-Initiated Logout. Rather, this can be a strength.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Note also that Kristina incorporated feedback from the working group such as adding the IPR section, renumbering the sections, etc. that they requested on a call to prepare for its adoption. Kristina asking
for adoption by the working group isn’t a surprise. She did so after incorporating the working group feedback on her initial draft intended to prepare it for adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Call for adoption of Self-Issued OpenID Provider V2, draft 01<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike: you misstate the case. This document is still just an internal Microsoft document. What you do with that is not the purview of this committee. My point is that there already is a draft SIOP document that was an accepted OpenID submission
and you are putting forth a different document to be voted for acceptance. I object to that.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peace ..tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002060">To Tony’s comment, I believe there’s agreement that all the functions in the draft are within scope, per previous discussions by the working group.
Yes, it’s possible that we could expand the scope and add more things. We’ve been discussing our goals since Spring, so I don’t think there are any surprises here. I applaud Kristina for writing down something concrete that we and developers can iterate
on. I think it’s a positive development.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002060">To Tom’s second comment, it’s been years since I’ve been the subject of a Microsoft conspiracy theory. It almost makes me nostalgic. ;-) As for “grabbing
the editing function”, there’s a much simpler (and true) explanation for why I requested to be an editor: I’m the primary editor for the Connect specs, and given that this is an extension to them, I requested to be added as an editor so that I could help
keep the specification consistent with the other Connect specs – both editorially and semantically. Tom, you were on the call during which I requested to be added (and during which we added Tobias), and if you had concerns with my participation, you could
have voiced them then.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002060">As for recovery and refresh, I believe that those are still under discussion by the working group, and that discussion should continue. Having an existing
draft in no way precludes adding that functionality, should the working group agree on if and how it wants to accomplish those goals.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002060"> Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002060"> -- Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tom Jones <<a href="mailto:thomasclinganjones@gmail.com" target="_blank">thomasclinganjones@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Call for adoption of Self-Issued OpenID Provider V2, draft 01<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I object to the lack of any consideration of recovery and refresh. I should also note that this seems to be an attempt by Microsoft to grab the editing function. I frankly don't
trust them as editors.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Peace ..tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:42 PM nadalin--- via Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I don’t think a call from adoption should happen before the scope is agreed upon as this is the basics for any standards body to prevent creep and understand exactly what the bounds
of the specification are. From the call this week the scope is still in question.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ab <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristina Yasuda via Openid-specs-ab<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Artifact Binding/Connect Working Group' <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kristina Yasuda <<a href="mailto:Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Openid-specs-ab] Call for adoption of Self-Issued OpenID Provider V2, draft 01<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">Dear AB/Connect WG experts,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">We would like to do a call for adoption for a Self-Issued OpenID Provider V2, draft 01 as has been discussed
in the Connect WG call. Here is a link to the draft text: <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/src/master/openid-connect-self-issued-v2-1_0.md" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white">https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/src/master/openid-connect-self-issued-v2-1_0.md</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">This draft covers scopes 1, 2 and 5 from 5 proposed SIOP scopes that are being discussedf, with an ongoing
effort to reflect proposals regarding Discovery. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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