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<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com>; openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 1000 WAYS TO DIE IN MOBILE OAUTH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gotta start somewhere, this seems like a good place. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It might be easier to start with JWT libraries for validating signatures and basic token formatting, rather than trying to start with a complete Connect implementation profile.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We do currently have deployment profiles that people test against. They do not however cover all the possible deployment scenarios.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agreed - and we were only able to get to a point in this one specific set of sectors with SAML just this year, after years of in-the-field experience. The R&E community, for example, will probably need Roland's ODIC-fed specification,
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if a profiling exercise that targets the current large-scale deployers would help with initial development of the libraries, with an intentional effort to re-profile every $frequency to catch newer use cases and drive a roadmap
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 10, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com">tonynad@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I would agree to the concept of a similar effort or Oauth but it may be a daunting task to get agreement with the major players here since they each service more than the education/government
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Nick
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<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com">tonynad@microsoft.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The research and education and e-government multilateral SAML world has just gone through a profiling exercise intended to standardize implementations that claim to support multilateral SAML use cases. I think it was well worth the effort: <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fkantarainitiative.github.io%2fSAMLprofiles%2ffedinterop.html&data=02%7c01%7ctonynad%40microsoft.com%7cefb2e258df44461b46a008d3c158746b%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1%7c0%7c636064558056171715&sdata=YhvyYbLEXtgi2Gi%2f2moZBoW9nPXrBAQsHSTZ6HJS61U%3d"><span style="color:purple">kantarainitiative.github.io/SAMLprofiles/fedinterop.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Openid-specs-ab
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<p class="MsoNormal">But in our experience, developers also get OIDC wrong far too often. The thing that is the biggest problem is proper ID token verification (issuer and audience checks). I really think that the community would be very well served with excellent
open source JWT validation libraries on all major frameworks/languages. Google would be very interested in working with others on this problem. Please let me know if you have interest/ideas about how to improve this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Just found a briefing in Blackhat 2016 titled<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.blackhat.com%2fus-16%2fbriefings.html%231000-ways-to-die-in-mobile-oauth&data=02%7c01%7ctonynad%40microsoft.com%7cabd2d76d79a846c392ea08d3c1532499%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1%7c0%7c636064535238827541&sdata=eiH7cGqV7Y5%2fuDFFJkBsHjp3Sn3JoWKhjZWe8pcfu8A%3d" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">“</span><span style="color:purple">1000
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