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<p class="MsoPlainText">How about we change this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">The popup User-Agent window SHOULD be 450 pixels wide and 500 pixels tall.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">to this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">It is suggested that the popup User-Agent window have a minimum size of 450 pixels wide and 500 pixels tall and occupy no more than 75% of the horizontal and vertical screen size. (Also note that in most browsers
today, the OP can dynamically resize the window.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Does that work better for people?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:JA">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Nat Sakimura<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:58 AM<br>
To: Vladimir Dzhuvinov / NimbusDS<br>
Cc: openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Can we be less prescriptive and say that it should not occupy more than 75% of the width and height but has to be larger than certain size and to go full size if it is less than that size?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">=nat via iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Oct 24, 2013 17:18<span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"">$B!"(B</span>"Vladimir Dzhuvinov / NimbusDS" <<a href="mailto:vladimir@nimbusds.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">vladimir@nimbusds.com</span></a>>
<span style="font-family:"MS Mincho"">$B$N%a%C%;!<%8(B</span>:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Popup windows can be resized dynamically after they are opened with
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> JavaScript using window.resizeBy() or window.resizeTo(). Given the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> multitude of display sizes, aspect ratios and resolutions I suggest we
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> leave this recommendation out.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> --<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Vladimir Dzhuvinov : <a href="http://www.NimbusDS.com">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.NimbusDS.com</span></a> :
<a href="mailto:vladimir@nimbusds.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">vladimir@nimbusds.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -------- Original Message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Tim Bray <<a href="mailto:tbray@textuality.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">tbray@textuality.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Date: Wed, October 23, 2013 11:33 pm<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: "<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a>"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> If it were absent, I$B!G(Bm damn sure you wouldn$B!G(Bt get consensus to add it.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -T<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Mike Jones <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I$B!G(Bm not hearing consensus to make any specific changes to this
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> parameter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Richer,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Justin P.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:09 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Brian Campbell<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> FWIW, we ignore this parameter completely as our UI is adaptive to
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> screen size already.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -- Justin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Brian Campbell <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <<a href="mailto:bcampbell@pingidentity.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">bcampbell@pingidentity.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> IMHO, the display parameter already feels obsolete (I mean fixed
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> pixel recommendations and wap feature phones?) and the world would be
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> a better place if Connect was just silent on it and let the AS apply
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> whatever display optimization heuristics it has at its disposal, which
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> will no doubt evolve over time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM, George Fletcher <<a href="mailto:gffletch@aol.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">gffletch@aol.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Yes, this is a carry over from OpenID 2 and the popup window. I'm
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> not sure a fixed size makes sense any more as each idp has its own
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> dimensions. One of the original goals was to prevent window resizing
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> but that is pretty much given in today's environment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The main guidance I would give is that the popup window shouldn't
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> cover more than X% of the screen. Hopefully some ui team will know
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> what X is:)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> For me, if the popup covers more than say 60% of the screen it's
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> better to move the user to a full page redirect model. We've done this
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> for most of our mobile and tablet flows because popups on mobile are a
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> little weird UX wise.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> George<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> --<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> George Fletcher<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Chief Architect, Identity Services<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> AOL Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:50 AM, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I think it was from the UI extension for openID 2. I remember that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> there was a reason Google and the other authors of that extension
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> needed it a fixed size at the time. Something about the RP popping
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> the window and the IdP needing to know the size to display text properly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Now that we assume browsers are JS capable (Not so true 5 years ago)
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> the IdP can likely dynamically determine the size. It might still be
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> a good idea to recommend a hight x width ratio.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> JainRain and others can probably say what the current best practice is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> John B.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On 2013-10-22, at 11:40 PM, Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Microsoft developers were asking where the 450x500 dimensions came
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> from and if they$B!G(Bre the right ones. Who know the history of where
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> these dimensions came from?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Anthony Nadalin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:38 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Mike Jones; Tim Bray<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: RE: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Many devices don$B!G(Bt support 450 x 500 pixels<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Mike
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:42 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Tim Bray<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Rather than saying $B!H(BThe popup User-Agent window SHOULD be 450 pixels
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> wide and 500 pixels tall$B!I(B should we say $B!H(BThe popup User-Agent window
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> SHOULD be a minimum of 450 pixels wide and 500 pixels tall$B!I(B?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Tim Bray [<a href="mailto:tbray@textuality.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:tbray@textuality.com</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:34 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Yeah, no kidding. And what about on Retina displays? This guidance
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> A question from developers that I forgot to ask on Monday: Why is 450
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> 500 the recommended window size for display=popup and is this the
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