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<p class="MsoNormal">Spec call notes 5-Sep-13<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nat Sakimura<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">George Fletcher<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">John Bradley<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tony Nadalin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Justin Richer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Edmund Jay<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Pre-IIW Meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Possible Pre-IETF 88 Meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Document Structuring<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Open Issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pre-IIW Meeting:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We will have several topics<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Possible Pre-IETF 88 Meeting:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We will ask on the list <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Document Structuring:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We reviewed Nat's first stab at http://nat.sakimura.org/2013/08/27/refactoring-openid-connect-drafts/<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Justin suggested combining Authentication Core and Authentication Implicit<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Security and Privacy Considerations are still missing from this<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Nat didn't yet have time to do the exercise of combining Messages and Standard<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> George suggested that we could keep the organization that Nat has done but produce a single concatenated version<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> George suggested that we could write a guide<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Justin suggested that we could write the guide as a set of wiki pages that refer to spec sections<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Nat said that we could name documents as Chapter 1, Chapter 2, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John suggested having a single document with modular chapters that could be considered standalone documents<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike said that the criticism he's heard most is that there are too many documents<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike said that he'd like to see the combined document<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Tony said that there is no place to start<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Nat also proposes to delete the Basic and Implicit specs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike suggested that we have a "Getting Started" doc - Tony said that it could be called "Read Me First"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Mike asked if Nat could produce a stab at the combined document<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> He agreed that he would<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Then we could ask people on the list what they think of the different choices<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Tony said that SAML reorganized to combine about 20 documents into about 4<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Tony said that there isn't a simple way to understand conformance<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Nat said that he hasn't included the Implementation Considerations section yet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Implementation Considerations could be renamed Conformance<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We will devote the next call after Nat produces the combined spec to continuing the discussion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Tony said that SAML has a separate conformance doc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> It describes different implementations, such as SSO profile<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> John said that that's where the conformance profiles are defined<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Nat said that he'd prefer that we have a separate conformance document<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Open Issues:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> There are no new open issues<o:p></o:p></p>
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