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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Being asserted is what makes a claim a claim. If they were indisputable truth, they wouldn’t be claims. We have to leave that in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m actually not happy with suggestions that we significantly revise core definitions that have been extensively reviewed and agreed to by the working group
before they were added to the specs. I know that the “claim” definition was one that was extensively discussed. Changing it is the wrong thing to be doing at this point. We should be trying to finish – not changing everything around when the current definitions
are already working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you believe that we need to use “attribute”, the onus is on you to provide specific proposed alternative language. But I can’t agree to gutting the meaning
of Claim, since it’s so central to what OpenID Connect is about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Nat Sakimura [mailto:sakimura@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Messages Review 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Mike. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just quickly getting back on "Claims". <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have removed the notion of being "asserted" from the definition of "Claim" since we are using "Claim" in the sense of "Attribute", which does not have the notion of being "asserted". Attributes are there whether or not it is asserted
by somebody or not. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you really want the notion of "asserted" in the definition of "Claim", we have to use "Attribute" instead in several instances. I am happier that way. Do you really want to go there? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Simpler way is just to drop the notion of being asserted from the definition of Claim and put the notion into Claims Provider definition. That's what I did, in the interest of time. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2013/6/5 Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My comments added to the attached version.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nat Sakimura<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Openid-specs-ab] Messages Review 2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Now I have completed the review of Messages apart from section 2.9 and Self-issued related things. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Many errors and omissions. On March 1, somehow, HTTP binding was introduced to UserInfo endpoint. Such a binding belongs to Standard, and not here. Since there was no commit message,
the mail/minutes, and tickets to the effect, it took me quite a while to locate when and on what commit it had happened. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Some of the MUST requirements around explicit consent are too strong and does not account for governmental, enterprise, and consumer protection use cases. Such strong requirements
can be written as a sector specific profile, but not as a base spec. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Nat Sakimura (=nat)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>
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Nat Sakimura (=nat)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>
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