<div dir="ltr">Why wouldn't the OP/AS rely on the HTTP "Accept-Language" header to determine what language to present user interface screens in? <br><br>I must admit that I've lived smack in the middle of the US for most of my life so maybe I'm a bit naive about this kind of thing. But it seems like it'd be much preferable to rely on exiting standardized ways of doing this rather than trying to invent new ones.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Mike Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issue/742/user-interface-language-parameter-needed" target="_blank">
https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issue/742/user-interface-language-parameter-needed</a>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:25 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was not suggesting that we wait for OAuth to add it. I think it is fine for us to propose a solution and then encourage it to be adopted for OAuth in general.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2013-02-03, at 2:51 PM, Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-" target="_blank">openid-</a><a href="mailto:specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Frank Cornelis<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:42 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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For somehow reason most authentication protocols 'forget' about such a feature. Only OpenID 2.0 addresses it via the UI extension.<br>
For both SAML2 Browser POST and WS-Federation web passive, we indeed had to define some protocol extension ourself (a simple language parameter that is passed during the Browser POST). As BE e-government applications always have to be presented in all official
languages, this is a very important aspect for usability.<br>
It would be very nice if OpenID Connect would support this out-of-the-box as I don't like to define my own extensions on authentication protocols.<br>
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Frank.<br>
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On 02/02/2013 11:20 PM, John Bradley wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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2.0 UX extension</span></a><span> </span>allowed a list of languages to be sent in the openid.ui.lang field. We don’t have equivalent functionality in Connect and Frank is saying that it’s important in multi-language locations
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Sakimura [<a href="mailto:sakimura@" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:sakimura@</span></a><a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gmail.com</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday, February 01, 2013 5:18 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Mike Jones;<span> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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user interface is in ja-Jpan-JP. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Feb 2, 2013 9:16ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">€</span><span style="font-family:SimSun"> </span><span style="font-family:SimSun">John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</span></a>><span> </span>ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun"> </span><span style="font-family:SimSun">®ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">ƒ¡</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">ƒƒ</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">‚</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">»ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">ƒ¼</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">ã</span><span style="font-family:SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">‚¸</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Mike Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, January 28, 2013 12:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Cornelis [<a href="mailto:info@e-contract.be" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:info@e-contract.be</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday, January 25, 2013 10:22 PM<br>
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This UserInfo Request can also be passed during the Authorization redirect/browser-post?<br>
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Is preferred_locales also applicable to the presented UI? I thought it's only related to how the values of the UserInfo response look like.<br>
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I signed the IPR via my<span> </span><a href="mailto:info@e-contract.be" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">info@e-contract.be</span></a><span> </span>account.<br>
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On 01/25/2013 04:11 PM, Mike Jones wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Cornelis [<a href="mailto:info@e-contract.be" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:info@e-contract.be</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:25 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>OpenID Connect: UI language</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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OpenID has a User Interface extension that allows you to communicate the<span> </span><br>
language preference between Client and OP.<br>
As I'm looking to add OpenID Connect support to the eID IdP, I cannot<span> </span><br>
really find an equivalent of this extension for OpenID Connect. Where<span> </span><br>
should I be looking? The Authorization Request display parameter seems<span> </span><br>
to be limited to "page", "popup", "touch", and "wap". Especially for<span> </span><br>
multi-lang (en, nl, fr, de) countries like Belgium, such a feature is<span> </span><br>
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Frank.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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