<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Stepping on what may or may not be a OAuth trademark/Logo is a bad idea.<div><br></div><div>I suspect MITRE may have some concerns about that as well. They are far scarier than the OIDF.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect it is best to let the marketing group come up with something. Though I do sort of like it.</div><div><br></div><div>I hate trademark and logo stuff it is a money pit.</div><div><br></div><div>John B.<br><div><div>On 2012-04-10, at 4:02 PM, Pam Dingle wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">It is a beautifully made and distinctive logo. I really like it! Mike and Tony are right though, we do need to look at the cost to the foundation that this could incur. If we choose to protect this logo, there will be a not insubstantial legal cost. If we choose not to protect this logo and it is used anyway, there are also possible consequences and costs. We need to make a case to the board as to why that cost is justified, and make an explicit and informed branding decision.<div>
<br></div><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Anthony Nadalin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com">tonynad@microsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richer, Justin P.; Nat Sakimura</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID ABC Working Group; Chris Messina<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">As a board member, I believe that I must object. The trademark status of the OAuth logo is unknown. Combining the OpenID logo with it could constitute an
act of infringement.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Furthermore, branding is a big deal. We shouldn’t be publicly displaying potential branding elements until there’s consensus, including from the board, that
it’s the right thing to do, and that the board is committed to spending the tens to hundreds of thousands necessary to defend a new trademark.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> -- Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nat Sakimura<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID ABC Working Group; Chris Messina<br>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">OK, taking the idea a step further and working with the shiny-logo file from Chris Messina (thanks, Chris!), this is what I've come up with. It takes the OAuth logo, replaces the text and central logo, and adds a bronze/orange tint to the
shiny bits. Unless the working group objects specifically, I'm going to start using this in at least my own talks.
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Richer, Justin P. <<a href="mailto:jricher@mitre.org" target="_blank">jricher@mitre.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">I like Nat's idea, but took it in a slightly different direction. This is just a quick take on a theme, for fun of course. But add some shininess to this and I think it's good! :)
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 4, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Just for the sake of fun... <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">OpenID Connect on OAuth logo. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">It is symbolizing that OpenID Connect is on top of OAuth :-) <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Could not get the editable version of the shiny OAuth 2.0 logo, so suffice it to be with this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">=nat<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Need to check this with a patent lawyer but including our trademark probably will protect us.
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">FYI, I just checked the US filing, and it is a <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> STANDARD CHARACTER MARK on the string "OpenID". </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">No logo. Internationally, the same. In France and in Japan, logo is also trademarked. Maybe some other countries as well. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">So that bottom line is, if we want a logo for OpenID Connect, which I do, we probably need to include the string "OpenID". </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The threat is real. There already is somebody trying to register SmartOpenID internationally. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We need to take action, if it looks going through, to defend our right. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">FYI, the trademark often is a stronger IPR claim than the patent. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:54 AM, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" target="_blank">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">The current openID logo is into many tens of thousands and the costs keep mounting.
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The problem is that unless we register and defend it, someone can take it and make it proprietary. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">There may be ways to have a derivative logo that cost less incrementally. I am not an expert on this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I do however see the bills.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2012-04-04, at 2:49 PM, Justin Richer wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Really, for something like this? How much has been spent on the OAuth logo to date? I understand that the OIDF may desire to take ownership of things like and make them official, trademarked, and enforceable. But what I'm after is much
lighter than that: something recognizable.<br>
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-- Justin<br>
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On 04/04/2012 01:46 PM, Mike Jones wrote: <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll just add that I know that maintaining a logo worldwide is a very expensive endeavor, requiring
dozens of registrations, due diligence, and enforcement actions – best case tens of thousands of dollars, but realistically, often hundreds of thousands of dollars. Creating a new brand and logo is not something we should do lightly.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> -- Mike</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Nadalin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Justin Richer; Pam Dingle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think this is a matter for OIDF to take up sine I believe they currently own the OpenID logo or
are about to own that.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:[mailto:jricher@mitre.org]" target="_blank">[mailto:jricher@mitre.org]</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pam Dingle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin; <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Agree completely that it should tie into the overall branding of OpenID, and as such should probably incorporate the line/circle/arrow logo and standard OpenID font, but with something
more "connecty" about it.<br>
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-- Justin<br>
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On 04/04/2012 12:53 PM, Pam Dingle wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 for something distinctive for OpenID Connect, but that doesn't mean it can't be related to our overall brand.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com" target="_blank">tonynad@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I defer to the logo gods on the status of the current OpenID logo, but I'm one for not introducing a new one or a different one as it's an overall OpenID Brand<u></u><u></u></p>
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As I've been putting more and more presentations together talking about OpenID Connect, I keep getting stuck on the lack of a distinctive logo for it. Particularly when I want to distinguish Connect from OpenID 2.0 and its predecessors, as they are quite different.
OAuth has its black token, and OAuth2 has the shiny token adapted from that. The best that I could find was from Chris Messina's original blog post that introduced us all to the terminology of "OpenID Connect", here:<br>
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<a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/01/04/openid-connect/" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/01/04/openid-connect/</a><br>
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So I'm putting it to the group here: is there a better or more official image to represent this protocol? Should there be?<br>
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<a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>
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Nat Sakimura (=nat) <u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>
@_nat_en<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>
@_nat_en<u></u><u></u></p>
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