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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">I’ve pushed these changes out (after updating the spec date). We’re now using long names like “id_token” rather than short names like “idt”. Changed specs
were:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">OpenID Connect Core: http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">OpenID Connect HTTP Redirect Binding: http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-http-redirect-1_0.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">OpenID Connect Framework: http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-framework-1_0.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Thanks for doing these changes, Nat!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces@lists.openid.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nat Sakimura<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Breno de Medeiros<br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-ab@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Little more feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, forgot to attache the edited file. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have bumped up the rev. number and added change log. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Breno de Medeiros <<a href="mailto:breno@google.com" target="_blank">breno@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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>><br>
>> In general, I agree that the short names are confusing for beginners or<br>
>> people trying to discern meaning only from code. I found the specs very<br>
>> easy to read and understand, but tough to know whether some pieces were<br>
>> required to be developed or just optional.<br>
>> For example: Core section 4 (Serialization) states that messages can be<br>
>> serialized in either format (JSON or Query String) unless expressly<br>
>> forbidden on a per-message basis -- but nothing in section 4 answers the<br>
>> question of whether or not an implementer is required to support both<br>
>> serializations to be conformant, or whether they can only support one.<br>
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> Actually, "core", which is likely to be called something like "Connect<br>
> Messages" are just listing all the possible variations on messages as a<br>
> reference, so it does not say anything about conformance. It should be<br>
> defined in the "Bindings" such as "OpenID Connect (was: HTTP Redirect<br>
> Binding)".<br>
>><br>
>> Another example is ID Token - it appeared in the session and userinfo<br>
>> specs but not in the core, http binding, or framework spec (unless I missed<br>
>> it).<br>
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> Things were separated out due to some request from the community member, but<br>
> it proves to be more confusing than not. I suggest re-combining "core" and<br>
> "framework" and call it "Connect Messages".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think there's agreement in our group to do so. All the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No. That is why I have not touch the specs in this respect yet. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as I remember, it was the decision of the WG to wait the reorganization until we finish the current pass of the spec review. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The files that I sent earlier and is attaching now has not done anything wrt this. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(Just to make note of, I have not done any edit wrt the comment you made as George is working on it. )<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, it does not preclude a parallel discussion of the possible reorganization. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Current state is that George suggested a reorganization, and Pam, John, Johnny, and me +1ed. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pam further suggested to call the entire suite as Framework, and Johnny +1ed, but Tony -1ed. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">feedback we get from developers is contrary to this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So they like the current organization? <o:p></o:p></p>
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The reason things are confusing right now has to do with the fact that<br>
the spec has been refactored many times and the writing did not keep<br>
up well. We need to fix the writing, not merge specs when we have<br>
evidence it will be damaging to the message of<br>
simplicity+extensibility we want to convey.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you kindly explain the evidence so that I can understand better? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">--Breno</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#888888">-- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
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