[Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup

Tim Bray tbray at textuality.com
Wed Oct 23 22:33:40 UTC 2013


If it were absent, I’m damn sure you wouldn’t get consensus to add it.  -T


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>wrote:

>  I’m not hearing consensus to make any specific changes to this parameter.
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> *From:* openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:
> openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] *On Behalf Of *Richer, Justin P.
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:09 PM
> *To:* Brian Campbell
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> *Cc:* openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup****
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> FWIW, we ignore this parameter completely as our UI is adaptive to screen
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> On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Brian Campbell <bcampbell at pingidentity.com>**
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> IMHO, the display parameter already feels obsolete (I mean fixed pixel
> recommendations and wap feature phones?) and the world would be a better
> place if Connect was just silent on it and let the AS apply whatever
> display optimization heuristics it has at its disposal, which will no doubt
> evolve over time.****
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> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM, George Fletcher <gffletch at aol.com> wrote:
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> Yes, this is a carry over from OpenID 2 and the popup window. I'm not sure
> a fixed size makes sense any more as each idp has its own dimensions. One
> of the original goals was to prevent window resizing but that is pretty
> much given in today's environment.****
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> The main guidance I would give is that the popup window shouldn't cover
> more than X% of the screen. Hopefully some ui team will know what X is:)**
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> For me, if the popup covers more than say 60% of the screen it's better to
> move the user to a full page redirect model. We've done this for most of
> our mobile and tablet flows because popups on mobile are a little weird UX
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> On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:50 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> wrote:****
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> I think it was from the UI extension for openID 2.   I remember that there
> was a reason Google and the other authors of that extension needed it a
> fixed size at the time.  Something about the RP popping the window and the
> IdP needing to know the size to display text properly. ****
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> Now that we assume browsers are JS capable (Not so true 5 years ago) the
> IdP can likely dynamically determine the size.  It might still be a good
> idea to recommend a hight x width ratio.****
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> JainRain and others can probably say what the current best practice is.***
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> On 2013-10-22, at 11:40 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
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> Microsoft developers were asking where the 450x500 dimensions came from
> and if they’re the right ones.  Who know the history of where these
> dimensions came from?****
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> *From:* Anthony Nadalin
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:38 PM
> *To:* Mike Jones; Tim Bray
> *Cc:* openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> *Subject:* RE: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup****
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> Many devices don’t support 450 x 500 pixels****
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> *From:* openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [
> mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net<openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:42 PM
> *To:* Tim Bray
> *Cc:* openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup****
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> Rather than saying “The popup User-Agent window SHOULD be 450 pixels wide
> and 500 pixels tall” should we say “The popup User-Agent window SHOULD be a
> minimum of 450 pixels wide and 500 pixels tall”?****
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> *From:* Tim Bray [mailto:tbray at textuality.com <tbray at textuality.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:34 PM
> *To:* Mike Jones
> *Cc:* openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup****
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> Yeah, no kidding. And what about on Retina displays?  This guidance seems
> in appropriate.****
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> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
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> A question from developers that I forgot to ask on Monday:  Why is 450 x
> 500 the recommended window size for display=popup and is this the right
> size?****
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