[Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for popup

Torsten Lodderstedt torsten at lodderstedt.net
Wed Oct 23 17:32:26 UTC 2013


we (still) use this kind of parameter it as well (excl. the "wap" value :-))

Am 23.10.2013 18:41, schrieb Chuck Mortimore:
> While we do our best to responsively adapt our login services, 
> explicit signaling from the client is important for some of our 
> customer use-cases.   We'd vote to maintain.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Brian Campbell 
> <bcampbell at pingidentity.com <mailto:bcampbell at pingidentity.com>> wrote:
>
>     IMHO, the display parameter already feels obsolete (I mean fixed
>     pixel recommendations and wap feature phones?) and the world would
>     be a better place if Connect was just silent on it and let the AS
>     apply whatever display optimization heuristics it has at its
>     disposal, which will no doubt evolve over time.
>
>
>     On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:50 AM, George Fletcher <gffletch at aol.com
>     <mailto:gffletch at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>         Yes, this is a carry over from OpenID 2 and the popup window.
>         I'm not sure a fixed size makes sense any more as each idp has
>         its own dimensions. One of the original goals was to prevent
>         window resizing but that is pretty much given in today's
>         environment.
>
>         The main guidance I would give is that the popup window
>         shouldn't cover more than X% of the screen. Hopefully some ui
>         team will know what X is:)
>
>         For me, if the popup covers more than say 60% of the screen
>         it's better to move the user to a full page redirect model.
>         We've done this for most of our mobile and tablet flows
>         because popups on mobile are a little weird UX wise.
>
>         Thanks,
>         George
>
>         -- 
>         George Fletcher
>         Chief Architect, Identity Services
>         AOL Inc.
>
>         On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:50 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com
>         <mailto:ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com>> wrote:
>
>>         I think it was from the UI extension for openID 2.   I
>>         remember that there was a reason Google and the other authors
>>         of that extension needed it a fixed size at the time.
>>          Something about the RP popping the window and the IdP
>>         needing to know the size to display text properly.
>>
>>         Now that we assume browsers are JS capable (Not so true 5
>>         years ago) the IdP can likely dynamically determine the size.
>>          It might still be a good idea to recommend a hight x width
>>         ratio.
>>
>>         JainRain and others can probably say what the current best
>>         practice is.
>>
>>         John B.
>>         On 2013-10-22, at 11:40 PM, Mike Jones
>>         <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
>>         <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Microsoft developers were asking where the 450x500
>>>         dimensions came from and if they're the right ones.  Who
>>>         know the history of where these dimensions came from?
>>>         -- Mike
>>>         *From:*Anthony Nadalin
>>>         *Sent:*Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:38 PM
>>>         *To:*Mike Jones; Tim Bray
>>>         *Cc:*openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
>>>         <mailto:openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>>         *Subject:*RE: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for
>>>         popup
>>>         Many devices don't support 450 x 500 pixels
>>>         *From:*openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>>         <mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net>[mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net]*On
>>>         Behalf Of*Mike Jones
>>>         *Sent:*Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:42 PM
>>>         *To:*Tim Bray
>>>         *Cc:*openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
>>>         <mailto:openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>>         *Subject:*Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for
>>>         popup
>>>         Rather than saying "The popup User-Agent window SHOULD be
>>>         450 pixels wide and 500 pixels tall" should we say "The
>>>         popup User-Agent window SHOULD bea minimum of450 pixels wide
>>>         and 500 pixels tall"?
>>>         -- Mike
>>>         *From:*Tim Bray [mailto:tbray at textuality.com]
>>>         *Sent:*Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:34 PM
>>>         *To:*Mike Jones
>>>         *Cc:*openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
>>>         <mailto:openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>>         *Subject:*Re: [Openid-specs-ab] 450 x 500 recommendation for
>>>         popup
>>>         Yeah, no kidding. And what about on Retina displays?  This
>>>         guidance seems in appropriate.
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Mike Jones
>>>         <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
>>>         <mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>> wrote:
>>>         A question from developers that I forgot to ask on Monday: 
>>>         Why is 450 x 500 the recommended window size for
>>>         display=popup and is this the right size?
>>>         -- Mike
>>>
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