[Openid-specs-ab] Minutes from 2025-10-10 Connect WG call

[Frederik Krogsdal Jacobsen]

Scribe's note: I know tensions were higher than usual at this call. Please
rest assured that I attempted as best as I could to represent things in a
neutral way in these minutes while also participating in the call. These
minutes have been reviewed by the chair of the working group before this
posting. If you believe that I have misrepresented or omitted anything
important in these minutes, please let the chair of the working group know.
I believe that these minutes can be corrected using the recording of the
call, which is available to OIDF staff for the next 90 days. Thanks.


   - Meeting Attendees: Mike Jones, Frederik Krogsdal Jacobsen, Ethan
   Heilman, Andy Barlow, Brian Campbell, Dick Hardt, Andrii Deinega, Lukasz
   Jaromin, Aaron Parecki, Dima Postnikov, Filip Skokan, Guilherme Niero
   - Date and time of meeting: October 9th, 2025
   - Agenda: The agenda sent by Mike before the meeting was accepted with
   no changes.
   - Topics discussed
      - Statement from the chair: Please read the code of conduct for the
      OpenID Foundation and interact accordingly. In particular:
         - Constructive Feedback: Feedback should be provided in a
         constructive, timely and respectful manner, focusing on the ideas or
         proposals under discussion and should actively avoid
unrelated matters or
         personal attacks.
         - Professional Tone: All communication, whether verbal or written,
         should maintain a professional and respectful tone. Refrain
from disruptive
         behavior, including shouting, personal attacks or insults, sarcasm, or
         inflammatory or otherwise inappropriate language.
      - Events
         - IETF Submission Deadline is October 20th. If you want to
         participate, now would be a good time to register. Sign up here:
         https://www.ietf.org/meeting/124/
         - OpenID Workshop before IIW on October 20th. Sign up here:
         https://openid.net/registration-open-for-openid-foundation-hybrid-workshop-at-cisco-on-mon-20th-october-2025/
         - IIW is October 21st to 23rd. Sign up here:
         https://internetidentityworkshop.com/
         - There will be physical DCP WG meetings on October 20th and 24th.
         Sign up here:
            -
            https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/oidf-dcp-wg-mtg-prior-to-iiw-mon-20-oct-2025-cisco-san-jose-ca-tickets-1661413736209
            - https://dcpwg_iiw_24oct25.eventbrite.co.uk/
         - OpenID Connect Pull Requests and Issues
         - No new pull requests or issues.
      - OpenID Connect Native SSO for Mobile Apps
         - Please vote on this, even if you are voting to abstain:
         https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/388
      - OpenID Connect Relying Party Metadata Choices
         - Draft -02 has been published a few weeks ago. No open issues as
         far as the chair is aware.
      - OpenID Federation
         - Pull requests: https://github.com/openid/federation/pulls
         - There have been discussions about what ecosystem implementers
         believe they need to get to a final specification.
         - If you are an implementer and have any more “must-have”
         requests, now is the time to open issues.
      - OpenID Connect Key Binding
         - There has been substantial discussion on the list.
         - The second call for adoption has ended.
         - There are concerns that the use cases presented as rationale for
         the draft are a good fit for the technical specification in the draft.
         Specifically, the Docker OpenPubKey use case.
         - Chair request: Frederik should file issues in the repository to
         ask for mappings of the terms defined in the draft to the use cases
         mentioned in the draft such that it is clear which components
of the use
         cases are part of the RP.
         - Ethan: OpenPubKey should not be used outside of the audience in
         the ID Token.
         - Chair request: Brian should file issues in the repository to ask
         for specific descriptions in the draft.
         - One of the authors of the UserInfo VC draft has responded that:
         "You are correct that at this point the UserInfo VC draft is basically
         abandoned. But only because there was basically zero OP interest in
         implementing as far as I could tell.”
         - Other authors of the UserInfo VC draft have also responded,
         though not on the thread for this purpose.
         - Brian: Dick lied about and misrepresented information concerning
         the rationale and background context for the draft with regards to the
         responses of the UserInfo VC draft authors.
         - Chair: Brian, stop. Do not accuse Dick of lying or I will remove
         you from the call.
         - Brian: That was a factual statement.
         - Chair statement: The OpenID Foundation procedures and bylaws are
         designed for action. As such, the draft has been adopted by
the Working
         Group.
         - Brian: Some messages on the Working Group list were not
         considered when considering whether to adopt the draft. It is
questionable
         if the criteria for consensus were met. I disagree with the
decision to
         adopt the draft.
      - Decisions made
      - The OpenID Connect Key Binding draft has been adopted by the
      Working Group.
   - Action items
      - Dick and Ethan to create GitHub repository within
github.com/openid/ for
      the specification and publish the working group -00 draft to
      openid.net/specs/.
      - Frederik and Brian (and others if they are interested) should open
      issues on the OpenID Connect Key Binding repository to ask for specific
      changes.
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