[Openid-specs-ab] Second Call for Adoption for the OpenID Connect Key Binding Specification

Brian Campbell bcampbell at pingidentity.com
Thu Oct 9 04:37:53 UTC 2025 

Dick,

Your message comes across as unnecessarily sarcastic and disrespectful,
even by my threshold for such things, and I believe it is
entirely inappropriate. I have raised code of conduct concerns with
OIDF's Executive Director about this message (Gail and a few others are
copied here too to put in on record) but also a larger pattern of behavior
towards me and other participants.

For the record, the issues I noted previously were not limited to
unresolved references or mistakes in indentation. The draft, and more
importantly, how it has been brought to the working group, also has
substantive problems that go well beyond formatting. Those were simply the
easiest things to demonstrate concretely. Even there, though, they point to
deeper problems.

As just one example, there was a reference to the title "The OAuth 2.0
Authorization Framework: Bearer Token Usage," which is the same as the
title of RFC 6750, which was ostensibly co-authored by you. But it was
cited as RFC 7549, which is the entirely unrelated "3GPP SIP URI
Inter-Operator Traffic Leg Parameter", and lists a group of authors not on
either RFC 7549 or 6750. I can venture some guesses as to what happened
there but it's really immaterial.

The larger concern is that it is, at least to me, highly disrespectful to
present something with such a significant number of issues - and even more
so when the substance is potentially controversial, prone to
misunderstanding, or overlapping with existing work - compounded by
dismissive and at times insulting engagement when met with disagreement.

I’d like to see us get back to a place where discussions here are
constructive and focused on improving the work and output of the entire
working group and foundation itself, even when there’s disagreement. That
requires both technical rigor, basic respect, honesty and integrity. I hope
we can move forward on that basis. Proceeding with adoption of this as
currently presented is not that, however.



On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 8:46 AM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian, my sincere apologies for the inconvenience of the references not
> resolving and mistakes in indentation -- that must have been very
> distracting when reading the text. Thank you for not pointing out
> the issues previously, as they existed in the earlier draft, that would
> have been very embarrassing. I appreciate your thoughtful response on how
> to resolve this. It is such a pleasure working with you -- having you
> participate in this WG is such a delight!
>
> With your expert guidance I have resolved the issues you pointed out so
> that no one else has to suffer the way you did. Others can find the updated
> draft at:
>
> https://dickhardt.github.io/openid-key-binding/main.html
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 10:12 PM Brian Campbell via Openid-specs-ab <
> openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>
>> As I said on the WG call earlier today, I believe it would be
>> appropriate for a baseline level of document hygiene/quality to be in place
>> before the individuals in the WG are asked to invest time looking at a
>> draft, let alone considering adoption of something. Mistakes happen, of
>> course, but I, for one, would really appreciate not having the feeling that
>> something wasn't even looked over before it was posted/submitted.
>> Screenshot snippets of a few examples of problematic areas of the draft are
>> below. It's certainly not an exhaustive list though. Nor is this my only
>> concern with the work.
>>
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2025-10-02 at 7.17.44 AM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2025-10-02 at 2.50.49 PM.png]
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2025-10-02 at 7.18.12 AM.png]
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 6:45 AM Michael Jones via Openid-specs-ab <
>> openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Responding to feedback from the initial call for adoption, the authors
>>> of the OpenID Connect Key Binding specification revised it to clear up
>>> potential misunderstandings of what the draft does and doesn't do.  The
>>> revised specification was submitted to the working group for consideration
>>> in the message
>>> https://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/2025-October/011023.html
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This message starts a one-week call for adoption for the revised
>>> specification, ending on Thursday, October 9th.  Even if you responded
>>> to the initial call for adoption, please reply to this one stating your
>>> views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                                 Thank
>>> you,
>>>
>>>                                 -- Mike (writing as a Connect WG chair)
>>>
>>>
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