[Openid-specs-ab] Let's not encourage the use of ISO and ANSI standrds

[Jim Willeke]

Totally agree.

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-jim
Jim Willeke


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 1:54 PM Tom Jones via Openid-specs-ab <
openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net> wrote:

> OpenID is considering posting their standards as ISO documents just so
> that the EU can reference them.  Why not tell the governments of the world
> to refuse to reference any standard that requires a developer to pay money
> to read. OpenID should refuse to get stuck in the ISO mentality.
>
> The following is a gently modified post from Andres Rundgren.
> No, ISO is not in a crisis.
>
> However, their "business model", charging money for standards, is
> incompatible with how the world works today. That is, it is essentially
> impossible to build on ISO standards in OPEN standards such as those
> produced by the IETF, W3C, and OASIS. Either you violate the ISO copyright
> by including too much of the original text or you force everybody who wants
> to implement (or just read) the "open" standard to purchase each ISO
> standard referred to!
>
> Imagine, if TLS which is powering the Web would cost $150. TLS is an IETF
> standard which means:
> 🔸 Anybody can access such a standard anonymously
> 🔸 Anybody can participate in (or follow) the completely open development
> process without membership fees
>
> Maintaining closed processes and specific membership requirements is fine,
> but it should also be possible (in a fairly unmoderated way) for other
> parties to [publicly] comment on draft versions. No organization has a
> knowledge monopoly. Potential implementers may also see problems that
> standards creators do not.
>
> This topic has been discussed numerous times in IETF and W3C groups.
>
> Have you heard about ISO 12812-1:2017, Core banking, Mobile financial
> services? Or have you heard of ANSI X9.59 on electronic payments?  Probably
> not which means that these potentially useful set of standards never got
> any traction which hardly could be the anticipated outcome. 😓
>
> That ISO is mainly funded by governments (though taxes), also motivates a
> more open approach.  Be the change you want to see in the world ..tom
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