[Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language

John Bradley ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com
Sun Feb 3 18:24:34 UTC 2013 

I was not suggesting that we wait for OAuth to add it.  I think it is fine for us to propose a solution and then encourage it to be adopted for OAuth in general.

I would probably call it ui_lang rather than lang which is a bit ambiguous. 

John B.


On 2013-02-03, at 2:51 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com> wrote:

> John, I agree that this is an issue that applies to OAuth as well as Connect, but I believe we need to put a stake in the ground on how Connect should solve it for the current implementer’s drafts.
>  
> For discussion purposes, one option would be to define a “lang” parameter whose value is a space-separated list of BCP 47 language identifiers.
>  
> Would that work for people, or would you like to see something different?
>  
>                                                             -- Mike
>  
> From: openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Frank Cornelis
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:42 AM
> To: openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language
>  
> 
> For somehow reason most authentication protocols 'forget' about such a feature. Only OpenID 2.0 addresses it via the UI extension.
> For both SAML2 Browser POST and WS-Federation web passive, we indeed had to define some protocol extension ourself (a simple language parameter that is passed during the Browser POST). As BE e-government applications always have to be presented in all official languages, this is a very important aspect for usability.
> It would be very nice if OpenID Connect would support this out-of-the-box as I don't like to define my own extensions on authentication protocols.
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Frank.
> 
> On 02/02/2013 11:20 PM, John Bradley wrote:
> It would be best addressed in OAuth itself.  It is not just a connect issue.
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> I know Canada uses it in there SAML profile. 
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> If we don't have it, those that need it for regulatory reasons will have to hack something in custom or not use Connect.
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> Better to nail down a standard way.
>  
> John B.
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> On 2013-02-02, at 6:00 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com> wrote:
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> 
> OK – that’s good data.  The OpenID 2.0 UX extension allowed a list of languages to be sent in the openid.ui.lang field.  We don’t have equivalent functionality in Connect and Frank is saying that it’s important in multi-language locations such as Belgium.
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> How should we address this need?
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>                                                             -- Mike
>  
> From: Nat Sakimura [mailto:sakimura at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:18 PM
> To: John Bradley
> Cc: Mike Jones; openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language
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> Preferred locale and the language-Script of the claims are not directly related. For example, when I book a hotel, I routinely need to fill form's name fields in en-us, ja-Kana-JP, and ja-Hani-JP while the user interface is in ja-Jpan-JP. 
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> It may be difficult to understand for those of you from a single script countries, but you need to recognize that there are people who lives with multiple scripts. 
>  
> Best, 
> 
> =nat via iPhone
> 
> Feb 2, 2013 9:16、John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> のメッセージ:
> 
> I just mentioned this on the other thread.
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> I personally think they are used differently.
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> Nat can probably speak to this better as someone from a multi script country.
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> It is possible that the script you want the claims in is not the script you want for the UI.   (There are a limited set of languages this applies to I admit)
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> In most cases it would be the same but I think it is bad design to confuse them.
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> The claim script is about what the RP needs for it's processing , the UI is what the user needs to interact.  Conflating them is probably a mistake.
>  
> John B.
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> On 2013-02-01, at 3:36 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com> wrote:
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> I believe that Frank has asked an important question.  Is preferred_locales intended to apply to the user interface as well as the claims?  I’d think it should.
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> What do others think?
>  
>                                                             -- Mike
>  
> From: openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Mike Jones
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:06 PM
> To: openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] OpenID Connect: UI language
>  
> I’ll try have the working group discuss whether preferred_locales is applicable to the presented UI on the working group call today.
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>                                                                 Thanks,
>                                                                 -- Mike
>  
> From: Frank Cornelis [mailto:info at e-contract.be] 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:22 PM
> To: Mike Jones
> Subject: Re: OpenID Connect: UI language
>  
> Hi Mike,
> 
> 
> This UserInfo Request can also be passed during the Authorization redirect/browser-post?
> 
> Is preferred_locales also applicable to the presented UI? I thought it's only related to how the values of the UserInfo response look like.
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> I signed the IPR via my info at e-contract.be account.
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Frank.
> 
> On 01/25/2013 04:11 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
> See preferred_locales in http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-messages-1_0.html.
>  
> By the way, if you're going to post to the working group mailing list, you'll need to submit an IPR agreement for the working group.  See the Participation section of http://openid.net/connect/ on how to do that.
>  
>                                                             Best wishes,
>                                                             -- Mike
>  
> From: Frank Cornelis [mailto:info at e-contract.be] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:25 PM
> To: openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net
> Subject: OpenID Connect: UI language
>  
> Hi,
> 
> 
> OpenID has a User Interface extension that allows you to communicate the 
> language preference between Client and OP.
> As I'm looking to add OpenID Connect support to the eID IdP, I cannot 
> really find an equivalent of this extension for OpenID Connect. Where 
> should I be looking? The Authorization Request display parameter seems 
> to be limited to "page", "popup", "touch", and "wap". Especially for 
> multi-lang (en, nl, fr, de) countries like Belgium, such a feature is 
> quite critical.
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Frank.
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