[Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect
Pam Dingle
pdingle at pingidentity.com
Wed Apr 11 05:19:21 UTC 2012
Hi Nat,
I have started a thread with the marketing committee as per your request,
but I'm sure folks from this list will want to monitor and/or contribute to
the discussion. The mailing group is usually a pretty small group of
people, and as of today we have not made the archives publicly available,
but I will make the proposal immediately that we open up the archives;
that way those who just want to see what's going on can do so without
subscribing, while those who want to fully participate can directly join
the group.
The google group landing page is here:
https://groups.google.com/group/oidf-marketing-committee?hl=en.
Thanks,
Pamela
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the logo. Thank you very much Justin and Chris.
>
> I would send it to the marketing committee to see what they can come up
> with.
>
> If I were in the position to check it, I would first check if it
> constitute a derivative mark of the OpenID trademark, and the copyright and
> licensing status of the baseline OAuth graphics.
>
> If it is deemed to be protected under our current trademark, that would be
> very good as it would not incur us additional cost as far as the trademark
> registering is concerned.
> If not, the cost issue will kick in if we want to protect it. My feeling
> is that it would be adequately protected under our current trademark but it
> needs to be seen.
>
> As to the copyright status of the OAuth graphics is concerned, I
> understand that it is CC-BY-SA.
> (http://wiki.oauth.net/w/page/12238520/Logo)
> So there does not seem problem in modifying it like this one.
> The potential problem I see is that then the connect logo may become
> CC-BY-SA as well.
> If that is the case, I am not sure how the trademark (which is obviously
> non SA and ND) and this CC license intersection is to be dealt with.
> If Chris could license the baseline graphics to OIDF with CC-BY, then it
> may solve the issue, but it needs attorney consultation. It would not be a
> big $$.
>
> In any case, this is a valuable community input and IMHO the marketing
> committee should look at and make a recommendation to the board.
>
> Pam, could you kindly send it to the marketing committee so that they can
> deal with it?
>
> Best,
>
> Nat
>
> P.S. As far as I have check in US, JP, Wipo, OAuth is not trademarked,
> which I believe is a problem that OAuth community should deal with. So, for
> the logo, it is only the copyright that kicks in, and the copyright holder
> I believe is Chris.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Pam Dingle <pdingle at pingidentity.com>wrote:
>
>> It is a beautifully made and distinctive logo. I really like it! Mike
>> and Tony are right though, we do need to look at the cost to the foundation
>> that this could incur. If we choose to protect this logo, there will be a
>> not insubstantial legal cost. If we choose not to protect this logo and it
>> is used anyway, there are also possible consequences and costs. We need to
>> make a case to the board as to why that cost is justified, and make an
>> explicit and informed branding decision.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Anthony Nadalin <tonynad at microsoft.com>wrote:
>>
>>> agree****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:
>>> openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] *On Behalf Of *Mike Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:35 AM
>>> *To:* Richer, Justin P.; Nat Sakimura
>>>
>>> *Cc:* OpenID ABC Working Group; Chris Messina
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> As a board member, I believe that I must object. The trademark status
>>> of the OAuth logo is unknown. Combining the OpenID logo with it could
>>> constitute an act of infringement.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Furthermore, branding is a big deal. We shouldn’t be publicly
>>> displaying potential branding elements until there’s consensus, including
>>> from the board, that it’s the right thing to do, and that the board is
>>> committed to spending the tens to hundreds of thousands necessary to defend
>>> a new trademark.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -- Mike*
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>> [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] *On Behalf Of *Richer,
>>> Justin P.
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:29 AM
>>> *To:* Nat Sakimura
>>> *Cc:* OpenID ABC Working Group; Chris Messina
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> OK, taking the idea a step further and working with the shiny-logo file
>>> from Chris Messina (thanks, Chris!), this is what I've come up with. It
>>> takes the OAuth logo, replaces the text and central logo, and adds a
>>> bronze/orange tint to the shiny bits. Unless the working group objects
>>> specifically, I'm going to start using this in at least my own talks. *
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -- Justin****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> <330.gif>****
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Richer, Justin P. <jricher at mitre.org>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> I like Nat's idea, but took it in a slightly different direction. This
>>> is just a quick take on a theme, for fun of course. But add some shininess
>>> to this and I think it's good! :) ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> -- Justin****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> <OpenID Connect Logo.png>****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Just for the sake of fun... ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> OpenID Connect on OAuth logo. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>
>>> http://nat.sakimura.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/openid-connect-oauth-logo.png
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> It is symbolizing that OpenID Connect is on top of OAuth :-) ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Could not get the editable version of the shiny OAuth 2.0 logo, so
>>> suffice it to be with this. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> =nat****
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Need to check this with a patent lawyer but including our trademark
>>> probably will protect us. ****
>>>
>>> FYI, I just checked the US filing, and it is a STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
>>> on the string "OpenID". ****
>>>
>>> No logo. Internationally, the same. In France and in Japan, logo is also
>>> trademarked. Maybe some other countries as well. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> So that bottom line is, if we want a logo for OpenID Connect, which I
>>> do, we probably need to include the string "OpenID". ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The threat is real. There already is somebody trying to register
>>> SmartOpenID internationally. ****
>>>
>>> We need to take action, if it looks going through, to defend our right.
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> FYI, the trademark often is a stronger IPR claim than the patent. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> =nat****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:54 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> wrote:*
>>> ***
>>>
>>> The current openID logo is into many tens of thousands and the costs
>>> keep mounting. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The problem is that unless we register and defend it, someone can take
>>> it and make it proprietary. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> There may be ways to have a derivative logo that cost less
>>> incrementally. I am not an expert on this. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I do however see the bills.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> John B. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On 2012-04-04, at 2:49 PM, Justin Richer wrote:****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Really, for something like this? How much has been spent on the OAuth
>>> logo to date? I understand that the OIDF may desire to take ownership of
>>> things like and make them official, trademarked, and enforceable. But what
>>> I'm after is much lighter than that: something recognizable.
>>>
>>> -- Justin
>>>
>>> On 04/04/2012 01:46 PM, Mike Jones wrote: ****
>>>
>>> I’ll just add that I know that maintaining a logo worldwide is a very
>>> expensive endeavor, requiring dozens of registrations, due diligence, and
>>> enforcement actions – best case tens of thousands of dollars, but
>>> realistically, often hundreds of thousands of dollars. Creating a new
>>> brand and logo is not something we should do lightly.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> -- Mike****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [
>>> mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net<openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Anthony Nadalin
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:11 AM
>>> *To:* Justin Richer; Pam Dingle
>>> *Cc:* <openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net><openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I think this is a matter for OIDF to take up sine I believe they
>>> currently own the OpenID logo or are about to own that.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* Justin Richer [mailto:jricher at mitre.org]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:07 AM
>>> *To:* Pam Dingle
>>> *Cc:* Anthony Nadalin; <openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Agree completely that it should tie into the overall branding of OpenID,
>>> and as such should probably incorporate the line/circle/arrow logo and
>>> standard OpenID font, but with something more "connecty" about it.
>>>
>>> -- Justin
>>>
>>> On 04/04/2012 12:53 PM, Pam Dingle wrote: ****
>>>
>>> +1 for something distinctive for OpenID Connect, but that doesn't mean
>>> it can't be related to our overall brand.****
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Anthony Nadalin <tonynad at microsoft.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> I defer to the logo gods on the status of the current OpenID logo, but
>>> I'm one for not introducing a new one or a different one as it's an overall
>>> OpenID Brand****
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:
>>> openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Richer, Justin P.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:50 AM
>>> To: <openid-specs-ab at lists.openid.net>
>>> Subject: [Openid-specs-ab] Branding for OpenID Connect
>>>
>>> As I've been putting more and more presentations together talking about
>>> OpenID Connect, I keep getting stuck on the lack of a distinctive logo for
>>> it. Particularly when I want to distinguish Connect from OpenID 2.0 and its
>>> predecessors, as they are quite different. OAuth has its black token, and
>>> OAuth2 has the shiny token adapted from that. The best that I could find
>>> was from Chris Messina's original blog post that introduced us all to the
>>> terminology of "OpenID Connect", here:
>>>
>>> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/01/04/openid-connect/
>>>
>>> So I'm putting it to the group here: is there a better or more official
>>> image to represent this protocol? Should there be?
>>>
>>> -- Justin
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