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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
openid-marketing-bounces@lists.openid.net
[mailto:openid-marketing-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris
Messina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenID marketing<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Marketing] OpenID Connect<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Well, with Portable Contacts (the address schema) and
Attribute Exchange made available over an OpenID... wait for it... connection,
I think there's a lot of promise for OpenID in payment scenarios.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For one thing, there's the social aspect, which for some
people, could be very compelling.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I wrote something up about this a while back, might be worth
a read:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a
href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/04/30/comixology-and-the-future-of-connected-commerce/">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/04/30/comixology-and-the-future-of-connected-commerce/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think OpenID for commerce is a little off-topic for this
thread, but the points you raise continue to illustrate the need to productize
these technologies beyond their techie roots — so that the benefits we see as
implicit are made explicit for larger audiences!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Miles Carroll <<a
href="mailto:miles@chocolateconsulting.co.uk">miles@chocolateconsulting.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As a commercial person, I have been looking at OpenID for 18
months, trying to figure out a way to extract commercial value from this great
tech. So I agree the product side needs work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am trying to figure out how to use OpenID in cardholder
not present card (CNP) transactions. Only about 25% of card transactions are 3D
secure and the rest rely on the Address Verification Service (AVS) the
challenge being that 90% of the address data is free typed into the shopping
carts, so the formatting fails AVS. If we could normalise the address format
and get some data quality over the Open ID we could use the data to power safer
payments. My business processes around 200M card transactions a year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Any ideas from a tech and product perspective how to join it
up?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards <br>
<br>
Miles Carroll<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Managing Director<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Universal Payment Gateway plc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>+44 (0)1827 265005. Switchboard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>+44 (0)1827 265006. Fax<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.upg.co.uk" target="_blank">www.upg.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent by iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
On 5 Jan 2010, at 07:35, David Recordon <<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com"
target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>+1, we need to make this a
reality this year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Chris Messina <<a
href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Indeed, and thanks for both of your comments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think David needs to flesh out how exactly he might
rewrite OpenID on top of OAuth WRAP, or OAuth 2.0, or OpenID v.Next... whatever
we call it, I think that the next generation of a "product" that our
community produces needs to have some level of parity with other *connect-style
APIs, which David previously outlined [1] as including:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>* profile<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>* relationships<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>* content<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>* activities<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If the OpenID community fails to provide a meaningful and
clear way to exchange these kinds of data — in a way that is as simple and
compelling to implement as Facebook or Twitter Connect, I think we're going to
have a very hard time getting our collective mojo back. That said, I have high
confidence that we will meet that need.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also want to point out that I purposefully sent this
message to the marketing list, since OpenID Connect is something dreamed up as
a productization of the "open stack" — which is really more like
"Hailstorm" — an internal token for us to refer to a quasi-official
collection of technologies known to [hand wavingly] work well together.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>While the bits have to add up here, that's not entirely what
I'm aiming OIC at (see what I did there?). Instead, OpenID Connect is the name
for a marketing vehicle that will enable us to take the existing OpenID brand
and extend it to cover things that site creators and developers care about —
going beyond just identity, and into the good stuff that make people want to
build apps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also think that, from a community maturation process
perspective, OpenID and OAuth have come to a point where they need to become
more closely aligned — and Dave's retelling of "identity as just another
attribute" helps me finally get it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Over time, we will evolve what OpenID and what OpenID
Connect mean, and find a place for OAuth and OAuth WRAP within the scheme of
things. For now, and for us, in 2010, the wider marketplace needs a product
that it can wrap its head around, and I think OpenID Connect makes as good as
sense as anything else I've heard. ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:12 PM, David Recordon <<a
href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com" target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hey Dick,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I could see a path where OpenID bolts discovery onto the
front of OAuth WRAP and then OpenID itself becomes a common set of parameters
exchanged within the user authorization flow of WRAP. A consumer could
also get a WRAP access token in addition to identity information (you're the
one who told me a few years ago that an identifier is just another attribute
and not something special). If it's happening over SSL, a lot of the key
exchange stuff goes away. Already today OpenID uses a plain text
association when being run over SSL.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>--David</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Dick Hardt <<a
href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Good article Chris, I commented on your blog, but bringing
the discussion here .. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree that OpenID needs some serious product management. I
like the OpenID Connect label -> much better then the Open Stack.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Technically, speaking as an author of OAuth WRAP, making
OpenID an OAuth WRAP Profile does not make sense. I do think that an OpenID v
Next would be very complementary to OAuth WRAP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>One of the problems OpenID solves that WRAP does not is
discovery and key exchange. I would say that is most of the what OpenID
does. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Great to see the discussion pick up, it is going to be a
very interesting year!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 2010-01-04, at 4:05 PM, Chris Messina wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Just wrote a post outlining my thoughts outlining a concept
I called "OpenID Connect":<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a
href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/01/04/openid-connect/" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/01/04/openid-connect/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Interested in thoughts and feedback, and happy to expand the
idea further.<o:p></o:p></p>
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