<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I don't think we are saying it is the home of the Foundation, but is certainly under the control of the Foundation and part of the Foundations mission is to educate people about OpenID and openid.net is one of the best online vehicles for doing that.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Agreed there has been feedback from users and RPs as to where to get an OpenID. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Providing a list of OPs is the simple solution to the problem, but as we have discussed, either is confusing to users because it will be so large, or is small and useful, but inherently biased in some manner for some criteria.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think the most important criteria for a user for where to get an OpenID is someplace they trust. My suggestion was that rather then provide the user with a list, tell them to go to a service provider they trust and get an OpenID from them, and if they don't support OpenID, then ask them to!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>As for RPs, they could say the same message.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Let existing internet search mechanisms and market dynamics support users in finding an OP if they can't find one from the above method.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-- Dick</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 15-Oct-07, at 2:46 PM, David Recordon wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> I still think you're missing a point here, OpenID.net is not the home of the Foundation. The Foundation owns it in trust for the community. It is the community's website and many people looking to use OpenID (not those who have providers themselves) really want a simple way to get an OpenID. This feedback has been heard loudly both from perspective users of OpenID as well as Relying Parties who are confused where they should link their own users to learn about OpenID and get one.<DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>--David</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>On Oct 9, 2007, at 11:14, Dick Hardt wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I think it is a very slippery slope for the website and/or board to recommend OpenID providers without being inclusive of ALL providers.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>I agree and have said this before. I understand the end user requirement, but I would much rather have us (the foundation) point to third-party recommendations than making those recommendations ourselves.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It's a bit like if the Bluetooth consortium said "buy these of our members' products, but not those of those other members" -- and we don't even have a comformance suite within OpeniD!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Johannes.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Johannes Ernst</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NetMesh Inc.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><openid-relying-party-authenticated.gif></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><lid.gif></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "> <A href="http://netmesh.info/jernst">http://netmesh.info/jernst</A><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </SPAN></DIV><BR><SPAN><openid-relying-party-authenticated.gif></SPAN><SPAN><lid.gif></SPAN><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">marketing mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:marketing@openid.net">marketing@openid.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/marketing">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/marketing</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">marketing mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:marketing@openid.net">marketing@openid.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/marketing">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/marketing</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>