<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">I quite like Snorri's suggestion.<br><br>I think that having a well run (heavily automated ;)) directory service would work in OpenID.net's and OpenID's favour. The problem I have with openiddirectory.com is that it seems to do a whole lot more than simply documenting and categorising providers. The front page isn't very inspiring to someone looking for a provider - it seems to do a lot of ranking and voting and there's not many ques on the front page what the site does exactly - providers are just one category out of 12 and have no sorting criteria.<br><br>An independent service would be preferable - same reasons David gave. I think it would work almost as well as a delegated site though - OpenID.net kickstarts and delegates control to some willing cohorts. I'm thinking here of an open source
style mode. You still retain ultimate control, but it's all pushed down to the volunteers/stakeholders so your involvement is kept as minimal as you wish - leave it to the underlings!<br><br>Probably the biggest key would be making an OpenID.net directory automated as much as possible. Manual vetting works for submissions with limited numbers, but it's all the rechecking for dead sites, closed providers, or offline ones that would eat up far too much time. Other than that it's largely a matter of storing the data, accepting new listings, and displaying the data by category (nation/other). Very much narrower in focus than opendirectory.com but without the voting element that puts a national provider 5 pages deep ;).<br><br>P.S. I do so prefer the new website!<br><br>Paddy<br><div> </div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 191);"><font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" size="3"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Pádraic
Brady<br><br></span></font><span style="font-style: italic;"><font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" size="3"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://blog.astrumfutura.com">http://blog.astrumfutura.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.patternsforphp.com">http://www.patternsforphp.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.openideurope.eu/">OpenID Europe Foundation</a><br></font></span></span><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Snorri <snorri@snorri.eu><br>To: OpenID marketing <marketing@openid.net>; Scott Kveton <scott@kveton.com><br>Cc: david@sixapart.com<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 11:17:01 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Marketing] [OpenID] Website Being Updated Today<br><br><div>Copy of my email
of August! :-)<br><br>- Just one page for the Identity Providers (others services + inames =<br>another page)<br>- There should not be of censure, everyone (even a small OP) must be able to<br>be here! It's Open!<br>==> But the serious submition is done at the beginning: For add a new OP =<br>is necessary to enter a submit form with some criteria (name, mission,<br>founder, countries, IP, languages, contacts...+ Necessary to read and accept<br>the IPR/PROVIDER Policy) = and after we test/ping this OP = if it's works/ok<br>= is immediately online!<br>- A table classified by country/language ==> Easy for the end user = I'm<br>French = I want an French OP! ;)<br>- icons list for the services propose by this OP : Free, Strong<br>authentication, OpenID2.0, i-names...<br>- No Wiki page = Same that the new design!<br><br>+ important: Specify at the foot of the page a legal sentence: "OpenID.net<br>give a list of OP but is not responsible for the services
suggested. You are<br>free to choose.<br><br>If you agree this idea = I can prepare a document for this important<br>updating (1 week)<br><br>Greetings<br><br>-Snorri<br><br>-----Message d'origine-----<br>De : marketing-bounces@openid.net [mailto:marketing-bounces@openid.net] De<br>la part de Dick Hardt<br>Envoyé : mardi 9 octobre 2007 20:38<br>Ŕ : Scott Kveton<br>Cc : OpenID marketing; david@sixapart.com<br>Objet : Re: [Marketing] [OpenID] Website Being Updated Today<br><br>I appreciate the problem with the current listing. It is not very <br>useful to a user.<br><br>I agree that Drummond's proposal places a bar on being listed on the <br>page, but who decides that bar? If the bar is relatively low (which I <br>would say is what Drummond proposes) -- then the list of OPs will <br>likely not get much shorter -- so we have not really solved the problem.<br><br>Additionally, one could
easily argue that unless a site supports some <br>strong authentication such as PAPE, that we are sending people to a <br>potentially risky OP. Now we are starting to take on liability for <br>what is a good or a bad OP.<br><br>Perhaps instead of sending people to a site that they potentially <br>need to build a new trust relationship with, that we tell users to <br>ask the sites they trust to be an OP for them. This gets users to <br>start asking sites to be OPs, bringing more OPs online, and as more <br>sites support OpenID, it makes sense for them to market to their <br>users that they are an OP and so on and so on ...<br><br>If openid.net directs people to a site, then it becomes pretty <br>political because there is a small number listed, we risk liability <br>of saying who to use or it is useless because so many are listed.<br><br>The
number of OPs will most likely get much larger, and this problem <br>will get worse.<br><br>-- Dick<br><br><br>On 9-Oct-07, at 11:21 AM, Scott Kveton wrote:<br><br>>> I think it is a very slippery slope for the website and/or board to<br>>> recommend OpenID providers without being inclusive of ALL providers.<br>><br>> I would agree with this if we were talking about just about anything<br>> other than a users digital identity. Let me explain.<br>><br>> There have been countless blog posts and notes to the general list<br>> saying "if I am a user, where do I get an OpenID?" People invariably<br>> end up at openid.net and then are completely stumped. The process is<br>> painful at best (well, before yesterday it was).<br>><br>> Now, if you look at the listing on the wiki:<br>><br>> <a target="_blank"
href="http://wiki.openid.net/Public_OpenID_providers">http://wiki.openid.net/Public_OpenID_providers</a><br>><br>> we see 40+ sites that provide OpenID's ... now this is fair to every<br>> single provider out there but is completely worthless for the end<br>> user. They want to click a button and end up at a provider. Now, if<br>> they are coming to openid.net for a digital identity and we send them<br>> off to a evil/bogus/soon-to-be-out-of-business provider, how good is<br>> that for the user and/or OpenID as a whole?<br>><br>> To that end, I actually like Drummond's proposal however, I don't want<br>> to committee this to death so that we create something that makes<br>> everyone happy but creates a completely confusing tool for end-users.<br>> I firmly believe that we need to create a tool that is easy for users<br>> or, no matter how inclusive it is, it will fail.<br>><br>> -
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