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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand and the idea of the “keep it
simple” test. But first let’s back up to the policy level: is the policy that OpenID.net
will provide a link to any OpenID provider (whether they issue URLs or XRIs) as
long as the provider has a “simple registration process”?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If so, let me suggest the following:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1) Let’s agree as a community on what that
policy is, i.e., let’s capture on a OpenID.net wiki page the definition of what
constitutes a “simple registration process”. This shouldn’t take more than a
few days. I think you’ve already supplied some key points below – I nominate
you to post the first version of the wiki page & the rest of us can
comment/edit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2) Once we have the policy, let’s let all
the OPs we can know about it, e.g., post to OpenID General and OpenID Marketing.
I’ll be glad to forward that email to the XDI.org-Accredited I-Broker mailing
list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3) Designate a OpenID.net point person (or
add a form to the site) where an OP can submit an application for listing once
they have implemented an OpenID registration process (whether for a URL or an i-name)
that meets the simple registration policy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>4) If the OP meets the criteria, they get
listed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Such an approach would be neutral to all
OPs, regardless of whether they issue URLs or XRIs or both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How’s that sound?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> David Recordon
[mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 09, 2007
4:21 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Drummond Reed<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> OpenID marketing; Scott
Kveton; Bill Washburn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Marketing] [OpenID]
Website Being Updated Today</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hey Drummond,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yeah, this is one of the things which still needs to get worked on.
Maybe linking to <a href="http://www.inames.net/register.html">http://www.inames.net/register.html</a>
is a good way to proceed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I took a look at the links provided from there though:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - EZiBroker doesn't seem to let you actually get an i-name,
rather just links you to iwantmynamenow.com.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - 2idi presents you with a form asking you to choose the price
and them an empty text field, what am I supposed to type in the field? (doesn't
meet the "simple" test)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - LinkSafe is much better, though submitting the "Search
=i-name" button gives me a SSL certificate error. The "get a
free i-name" link goes to a year old blog post telling you to use
their contact form to request one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - 1id.com is probably the simplest so far, but you have
to know to use the "Check Availability" box in the top right and to
first type "=".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - =you seems to be even simpler than 1id.com so seems like the
best candidate to link to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - INITECH seems to work though shows my password in plaintext,
and just sends me off to PayPal with no real context.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - CIM3 also seems to work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> - EnCirca gives me a giant warning which I don't even understand,
"Please Note: These are for defensive registrations only. EnCirca
does not support any services for i-names"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There seems to be a much larger barrier to entry from these i-brokers
compared to one of the URL OpenID providers currently.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What we tried to do was create a sort of multi-step flow.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> 1) you might already have one and don't know it<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> 2) here are some simple and well known providers within the
community<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> 3) want more? look at the list on the wiki where
every provider isn't guaranteed to work (maybe also link to <a
href="http://www.inames.net/register.html">http://www.inames.net/register.html</a>
from this paragraph?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> 4) roll your own, learn about delegation or scripts which
help you<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So really trying to make it as easy as possible. I wrote a bit
more about this in a message to general@ (<a
href="http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-October/003600.html">http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-October/003600.html</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Oct 8, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Drummond Reed wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='orphans: 2;text-align:auto;
widows: 2;-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'>David, Scott:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>While I really like almost everything
about the new look and feel and content, there’s one area where I’m worried
about the political position that it takes.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://openid.net/get/">http://openid.net/get/</a>clearly recommends a
set of OpenID providers just by being listed there. And leaves out others
simply by not being listed there. For example, none of the XDI.org-Accredited
I-Brokers that offer i-names (free or paid) are listed there, nor is there even
a reference to the XDI.org directory of i-brokers at<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.inames.net/register.html">http://www.inames.net/register.html</a>.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As much as we want to make it easy for
visitors to obtain an OpenID simply and easily, my concern is the community
taking any position at all with regard to listing OpenID providers or
i-brokers, rather than simply offering pointers to well known directories or
public resources for discovering them.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>marketing-bounces@openid.net [<a
href="mailto:marketing-bounces@openid.net">mailto:marketing-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Bill
Washburn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, October 08, 2007 6:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:david@sixapart.com">david@sixapart.com</a>;
OpenID marketing<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Marketing] [OpenID] Website Being
Updated Today</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hey David, Scott, Vidoop team--<br>
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Thanks for all your great efforts today. Fabulous work! <span
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Are there particular things you'd like people to look at first or pay extra
attention to? Are you actually planning on doing more right away -
tomorrow, for example? <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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cheers,<br>
-bill<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-converted-space><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><span
class=gmailquote><b><font color=black><span style='color:black;font-weight:
bold'>David Recordon</span></font></b></span><span class=apple-converted-space><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><span
class=gmailquote><font color=black><span style='color:black'><<a
href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hey all,<br>
New website is live!<br>
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--David<br>
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On Oct 8, 2007, at 7:32 AM, David Recordon wrote:<br>
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> Hey all,<br>
> Just a reminder that Scott and I are out in the wonderful city of<br>
> Tulsa, OK at Vidoop's offices working to upgrade the website.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
> Pretty soon we'll put up a "maintenance" page so expect the site
to<br>
> be down a bit of today.<br>
><br>
> Screenshot of the new front-page attached, though as you can tell<br>
> content is still a word in progress!<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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> Cool? Cool!<br>
><br>
> --David<br>
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